If people know one thing about Sherry, they usually think they don’t like it. But Daniel Azarkman likes it so much he opened El Lopo, a San Francisco tapas bar dedicated to sherry and its equally underappreciated cousin, vermouth. Daniel sits down with Greg and Sother to talk about introducing guests to unfamiliar ingredients, the guided tours he leads to Spain, and a program he runs for select regulars, who trust Daniel enough to just pour and serve them whatever he wants.

Plus, Greg and Sother have been traveling the country and might have a bead on a new trend: cheese in cocktails. Is this a thing, how should we treat it, and can we blame the whole thing on a friend of the pod? Tune in to find out.

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