When termination happens behind a closed door, the impact lands in the kitchen, the car line, and the kids’ bedrooms. 

In this episode, pastor’s wife Kristen Joy Humiston tells the story of being shut out of the room, hearing “you’re done here,” and driving home past the houses of those who voted yes.

Matt and Marilee name what many spouses carry in silence: rejection before termination, the isolation that follows, and how trauma forms when you have no voice, no choice, and no people. 

They also get practical. What to do on day one. How to breathe, pack, and protect your children. How boards can reduce harm and how churches can care for the whole family, not just the titleholder.

There is life after ministry. It may look different than you imagined. Yet dignity, honest community, and thoughtful planning can close a wound and leave a healed scar. 

This conversation offers language, tools, and hope for spouses, leaders, and boards who want to do hard things better.

Key Takeaways

• Forced termination becomes traumatic when people lose voice, choice, and community.


• Boards can reduce harm through clear policy, generous severance, and family-wide care.


• Day one priorities: safety, breathing space, housing plan, immediate financial triage.


• Spouses often sense red flags early; their intuition should be invited and honored.


• Community mitigates trauma; isolation cements it. Build a small circle fast.


• Identity untangling takes time for both pastor and spouse; purpose is bigger than a role.


• Support groups for ministry wives provide consistent, safe spaces for real healing.

Chapter Markers

00:00 Cold open and setup

03:22 Introductions; why this conversation matters

05:49 “You’re done here”: the termination moment

09:29 Red flags and the slow drift toward decision

11:29 Rejection before the firing; betrayal and shock

16:32 The body keeps the score: words fail, pain speaks

20:06 Day zero logistics: kids, school, where to go

26:51 Finding footing: packing, jobs, housing

31:24 When the church orbits the pastor and forgets the spouse

35:29 How boards can reduce harm and do this better

40:11 Healing in community: support groups for ministry wives

50:17 Life after ministry: new work, real purpose

53:18 Preparing for a high-risk profession: finances and wisdom

55:24 Resources, next steps, and hope

Connect with Matt and the team at MinistryTransitions.com for guidance through terminations, transitions, or succession planning. Explore Kristen’s support groups and coaching at KristenJoyCoaching.com for pastors’ wives and women navigating ministry fallout.