The Traitors US Season 3 Ep 6 Recap
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The Traitors US Season 3 Ep 6 Recap
Welcome to RHAP’s coverage of ALL the Traitors iterations from around the world, including New Zealand, Australia, and Canada. The Traitors US is a high-stakes reality competition set in a secluded castle, where contestants must work together to complete challenges and earn a prize pot—while rooting out the secret traitors hidden among them.
The Traitors US Season 3 continues to deliver explosive gameplay as Rob Cesternino and Pooya break down episode 6. The hosts dissect a chaotic roundtable that saw Wes banished and the remaining Traitors turning on each other.
Boston Rob narrowly escapes banishment, outmaneuvering Derrick’s attempt to expose him. Meanwhile, Carolyn and Danielle’s fragile alliance crumbles as accusations fly. The hosts analyze how Rob’s masterful defense and Wes’s aggressive gameplay shifted the house dynamics.
Key Points of Interest:
• Derrick’s failed campaign against Rob and subsequent loss of allies
• Carolyn’s bold move to target fellow Traitor Danielle
• Wes’s self-sabotage at the roundtable with threats and bravado
• Rob’s strategic use of misdirection to deflect suspicion onto others
• Britney’s emerging influence and confrontation with Derrick
With the Traitors now openly at odds, can Rob continue to evade detection? The game enters a new phase as alliances fracture and trust becomes a scarce commodity.
Listen to the full episode for an in-depth analysis of the latest Traitors US strategies and power shifts.
Topic by Time Stamp:
00:00 Intros
06:00 Rob’s Great Position
12:00 Derrick Targets Britney
18:00 Carolyn’s Conflict with Danielle
24:00 Traitors’ Roundtable Drama
30:00 Wes’ Aggressive Defense
36:00 Carolyn’s Strategy Unfolds
42:00 Derrick’s Failed Plan
48:00 Rob’s Defense Strategy
54:00 Britney’s Influence on Dylan
1:00:00 Wes’ Exit and Fallout
1:06:00 Traitors’ Turret Tensions
1:12:00 Murder in Plain Sight
1:18:00 Danielle’s Game Position
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Welcome to RHAP’s coverage of ALL the Traitors iterations from around the world, including New Zealand, Australia, and Canada. The Traitors US is a high-stakes reality competition set in a secluded castle, where contestants must work together to complete challenges and earn a prize pot—while rooting out the secret traitors hidden among them.
The Traitors US Season 3 continues to deliver explosive gameplay as Rob Cesternino and Pooya break down episode 6. The hosts dissect a chaotic roundtable that saw Wes banished and the remaining Traitors turning on each other.
Boston Rob narrowly escapes banishment, outmaneuvering Derrick’s attempt to expose him. Meanwhile, Carolyn and Danielle’s fragile alliance crumbles as accusations fly. The hosts analyze how Rob’s masterful defense and Wes’s aggressive gameplay shifted the house dynamics.
Key Points of Interest:
• Derrick’s failed campaign against Rob and subsequent loss of allies
• Carolyn’s bold move to target fellow Traitor Danielle
• Wes’s self-sabotage at the roundtable with threats and bravado
• Rob’s strategic use of misdirection to deflect suspicion onto others
• Britney’s emerging influence and confrontation with Derrick
With the Traitors now openly at odds, can Rob continue to evade detection? The game enters a new phase as alliances fracture and trust becomes a scarce commodity.
Listen to the full episode for an in-depth analysis of the latest Traitors US strategies and power shifts.
Topic by Time Stamp:
00:00 Intros
06:00 Rob’s Great Position
12:00 Derrick Targets Britney
18:00 Carolyn’s Conflict with Danielle
24:00 Traitors’ Roundtable Drama
30:00 Wes’ Aggressive Defense
36:00 Carolyn’s Strategy Unfolds
42:00 Derrick’s Failed Plan
48:00 Rob’s Defense Strategy
54:00 Britney’s Influence on Dylan
1:00:00 Wes’ Exit and Fallout
1:06:00 Traitors’ Turret Tensions
1:12:00 Murder in Plain Sight
1:18:00 Danielle’s Game Position
Never miss all our Traitors US recaps plus recaps from other versions around the world!
LISTEN: Subscribe to The Traitors Around the World podcast feed
WATCH: Subscribe to the podcast on YouTube
SUPPORT: Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!
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The we're back.
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The traders episode six, wow.
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The traders keeps on delivering.
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And it was a huge night tonight.
00:01:45
The traders are in disarray.
00:01:48
They somehow all survive the episode.
00:01:51
We've got so much to break it down with with Mr.
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Please give a clean how are you?
00:01:57
He can't keep getting away with this Rob.
00:01:59
How is he doing it?
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Oh.
00:02:04
I think Rob is coming away from this episode in a great position.
00:02:09
He's in great shape.
00:02:11
I don't know how he did it.
00:02:13
Derek tried to come for him and Derek said, hey, if I take a shot, better not miss.
00:02:19
And he missed.
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And he missed.
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I can't wait to break this down with you.
00:02:23
I think so many factors went into it.
00:02:25
And I think that when all is said and done, I think you're right.
00:02:28
I think there's a, I can now start seeing a path for Rob to survive a little longer here.
00:02:31
Yeah, he's looking good.
00:02:32
And then and then Derek is going after Brittany and making her mad.
00:02:36
So we'll see.
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We got a lot to unpack.
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And we are here.
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00:03:16
Can I come in hot?
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Can I come in hot with, tell me if you think I'm being hyperbolic?
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Okay.
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I agree.
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You're not hyperbolic.
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I'm in.
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I'm all in.
00:03:42
I subscribe to this idea as well.
00:03:43
It is.
00:03:44
Seri played the best game, but it wasn't the best season season two had moments, but it was kind of like a little half and half towards the end.
00:03:53
Great first half.
00:03:54
And this could look, this could be just a great first half, but Rob, Danielle, I kind of like they can't, you can't get rid of all of them at once.
00:04:04
Even if they go out the next three weeks, this is up to the chaos.
00:04:08
The chaos instilled in this first half, almost guarantees that we're going to have some of this reverb into the future episode for sure.
00:04:15
Yeah.
00:04:16
I mean, I've been very vocal about this, Rob, loud and wrong faithfuls chaotic traders.
00:04:22
This is what makes a good season and this season, we have it on all sides.
00:04:27
It's been, you can't stop watching.
00:04:29
This is maybe the first time since season one, where I'm like, can I get one more episode please?
00:04:34
Can we just have a little more going on because I can't wait a week for this.
00:04:37
This was a great episode and the structure of this episode tonight was a little bit different than some of these other episodes from earlier in the season because we got to see probably about like five minutes of the traders after the roundtable.
00:04:51
Typically, we've gotten this season where they go back to the turret and they sort of just take the hood off and it's like, okay, that's the end of the episode.
00:05:00
But tonight, we got, you know, the conversation at the start of the episode and then we got like five minutes at the end of the episode, which ended on Carolyn basically saying that she's gonna go after Dan,
00:05:14
we have to go after Danielle is how she ends it.
00:05:18
To her face, Rob, to her face, these traders are disaster.
00:05:23
Yeah.
00:05:24
It's so and so Rob is beside himself and Rob has been on, you know, some disaster tribes.
00:05:30
He was born into this reality TV world in a disaster tribe and even he's like, oh my God, I can't believe this.
00:05:42
It's wonderful.
00:05:43
And I'm sad that Wes is gone.
00:05:46
I really, I would love, it was so interesting just the, okay, it's really like Derek seemed like he's spearheading the Rob offensive.
00:05:58
But Rob, you know, he had that back and forth with Wes last week and we clocked that it didn't go great, but Rob didn't say anything about it.
00:06:06
I think Rob was left a little shaken by that conversation about Wes.
00:06:11
And so even though it seemed like that it was really Derek driving the bus, Rob was sort of keyed more in on Wes who ends up really falling on the sort here for this plan that Derek put together.
00:06:25
And he definitely, I think Rob reads correctly, who to if even knows both of them are doing something.
00:06:31
The cage boy is Pooja, they disbanded Rob, it's over, it's over.
00:06:37
They disbanded.
00:06:38
No, this is going to hurt the world tour.
00:06:40
It's done.
00:06:41
Yeah.
00:06:42
Okay.
00:06:43
So very sad.
00:06:44
The boy band is no more as the cage boys turned on one another and Wes ended up going.
00:06:51
But there's so much to get to with these traders.
00:06:55
I guess just go back to the start of the episode because we have this book ends of that Carolyn is talking about how Rob would murder her.
00:07:08
If he could, she says there's no one and I want to murder other than you too.
00:07:16
This was so funny and I'm so glad that they would get waited a week to give it to us here to open the show because it was absolutely chaotic.
00:07:23
We have Danielle citing that, hey, you didn't come to me about Jeremy, which we had talked about how Bob the drag queen told Danielle first, Jeremy's coming after you.
00:07:32
And then Carolyn almost gets asked, did he come to you about me?
00:07:36
And she's like, yeah.
00:07:37
So to Danielle, it's like, well, you didn't tell me.
00:07:41
Whereas Carolyn's like, I told you the minute I could because I'm assuming Carol maybe would have brought it up and deter it anyway.
00:07:47
So that causes some strife here.
00:07:49
The problem is everything's out in the open and Boston Rob's trying to do what he did a couple episodes ago.
00:07:55
He's like, let me bring the, let me broker the piece here.
00:07:57
And remember, we're supposed to all work together.
00:07:59
That's what we're going to do.
00:08:01
And I did find that interesting that Danielle said, listen, let's just start fresh.
00:08:06
I'll start making it right tomorrow.
00:08:09
Let's just work together and move forward.
00:08:10
>> Yeah.
00:08:11
And I do think that there was like a little bit of a miscommunication here where, okay.
00:08:15
So Danielle and Carolyn say, okay, we're going to patch things up.
00:08:19
We're going to have a new beginning, but unfortunately, a lot of the seeds that Danielle planted prior to this conversation had sprouted.
00:08:28
And so for Carolyn, this is all coming in as new information.
00:08:34
And I don't know if it would have changed anything for Carolyn to know.
00:08:36
I mean, Danielle, they say, no, I did that yesterday, but it's sort of like, you have a fight with somebody and then you patch things up and they find out other things that you did.
00:08:50
>> Yeah, this was, I mean, all the seeds were planted before this because truly the next day, Danielle does nothing with regards to Carolyn's name, but it's too little too late because Carolyn's finding all this new information that was from the day before that she was not privy to and it just starts mounting and mounting all the way through.
00:09:07
And the problem is because no one else has said her name, Rob, everyone's like, yes, Danielle.
00:09:13
Danielle is the one who said your name.
00:09:14
So it's just mounting evidence that you can't overlook.
00:09:17
So we have a decision to make for the traders, who are they going to murder?
00:09:22
You and I thought that Derek was somebody who could potentially be in trouble.
00:09:28
We talked about, I believe Sam also was somebody that we thought maybe it could have been.
00:09:33
But ultimately, it ends up being Bob Harper, Bob Harper, Ivar West are the three names that they talk about.
00:09:41
Danielle doesn't even think it's a good idea to kill Bob Harper, but I think she's so much just trying to just pander to Rob and try to get back on his good side.
00:09:53
I Bob Harper is the guy spoke your name last night at the round table.
00:09:59
Let us get more in your face than that.
00:10:01
I never thought Bob Harper was going to be an option here.
00:10:04
Like it just didn't make sense for Rob specifically being the more vocal one too.
00:10:09
So when he came in, he's like, I'm looking at West, like no, no, no, no, no, West is too bait.
00:10:14
You know what?
00:10:15
Then I'm looking at Bob Harper.
00:10:17
So Rob is the guy he always said he was.
00:10:20
If you say his name, he doesn't care.
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He even talks about how he flies close to the sun every time and it's a wild ride.
00:10:26
He's like, if you say my name, you got to go, I don't care how obvious it makes me.
00:10:29
We have, forget it.
00:10:30
If you say his name, if you have his name, he's coming for you.
00:10:34
Thank you for me.
00:10:35
Oh my God.
00:10:36
Yeah.
00:10:37
He got another Bob.
00:10:40
The graveyard of Rob's and Rob's just keeps piling on.
00:10:46
We lost the Rob in earlier.
00:10:48
That was I guess close enough.
00:10:50
Yeah.
00:10:51
Yeah.
00:10:52
Don't have his name.
00:10:53
Don't share his name.
00:10:54
If you get into the any game, really?
00:10:55
Rob tries to patch things up.
00:10:56
He goes to give Carolyn a hug, but she's like giving like the Jim Halper, I roll to the camera.
00:11:02
Which I love.
00:11:03
I'm a sucker for stuff like that.
00:11:05
Yeah.
00:11:06
And to speak to why I think this is such a great season, I mean, these three traders so chaotic, you know, I've spoken about Rob, you know, Danielle, she's got so much going on.
00:11:16
But Carolyn is just the camera loves her.
00:11:19
I don't think that we've spoken enough this season about just how much Carolyn brings to the show.
00:11:26
She was just sublime selection by Alan and the powers that be to make her a trader.
00:11:33
I'm so glad they did this Rob.
00:11:36
But I think that especially given what Carolyn has delivered so far, I think this is going to push that door wide open for more unknown, what is the word I'm looking for more unpredictable picks in the traders turret as opposed to the this person's a game bot,
00:11:53
this person looks like they could handle it.
00:11:56
No, put someone in there that no one can guess and can deliver good stuff and still has a great mind for the game.
00:12:02
Like Carolyn for as much as she is a character and is giving us a lot of fun moments.
00:12:08
She every time she's spoken about moves and decisions to make as a trader, I've agreed with her.
00:12:13
This might be the first time where I'm like, I don't know about this, but also her name has been said now.
00:12:17
She has no choice but to retaliate.
00:12:19
All right.
00:12:20
So everybody comes into breakfast the next morning and we see some Derek is in the first couple of people that come in that Carolyn comes in with Dolores and Siara who have the shields.
00:12:36
Derek asked to Brittany and Gabby are there also, hey, Boston Rob.
00:12:42
If he walks in here today, that's gotta be that's proof positive that he's a trader.
00:12:49
Derek brings up the point that I think a lot of people have been waiting for to be out there.
00:12:53
Aside from the who would know the traders, the traders would know the traders is that if you're a faithful and you clutched up and got spearheaded the move to get out of top trader, why wouldn't the other traders get rid of you?
00:13:05
That makes the most sense.
00:13:07
And we've talked about how the minute he doesn't have a shield, that's gonna come into question.
00:13:11
It's coming in now.
00:13:12
The receipts are starting to pile up.
00:13:14
But Rob does do a good defense later, which we'll get into that I thought was exactly what he should have done.
00:13:20
But Derek is starting.
00:13:22
Derek is very much starting.
00:13:23
This is his path to stamping his name in the history books.
00:13:26
Any things that begins with getting Rob out?
00:13:28
One of the things that really was very important about this episode to me, and I'm sure that this is something that you've realized long ago, that your amount of influence that you have in the house is so important because we see,
00:13:44
you know, Derek feels like, okay, I'm going to make my case against Rob in this episode.
00:13:51
And ultimately, he doesn't have the juice to close the deal.
00:13:55
I mean, Rob still has too much sway.
00:13:59
He couldn't do it because even without, I mean, it should have been even more lopsided.
00:14:04
Two of the traders are like throwing votes onto Rob and onto like the, they should have been, if the traders had their act together, there should have been even more votes against West.
00:14:15
It should have not, not even have been as close.
00:14:18
But ultimately, you know, Derek just did not have the influence in the house.
00:14:21
We see Carolyn at the, you know, and Carolyn is somebody who has evaded detection.
00:14:27
But does Carolyn have influence in the house?
00:14:29
She's the only person who votes for Danielle.
00:14:32
So a big part of the game is really just like building up that sphere of influence in the house so that when you do throw out a name that people are willing to jump over,
00:14:43
it's, you can't just come out with evidence.
00:14:45
You have to also have sway.
00:14:48
Playing sway is huge because that is one of the, especially if you're faithful, that's one of two ways you can avoid getting taken out is the round table.
00:14:57
And if you're a trader, that is a great way to try and push people out that you want, that you can't murder or you aren't looking to murder.
00:15:04
And I think the biggest part of that Rob is swaying the shadows is the best thing you can have.
00:15:09
That's the best of both worlds.
00:15:10
If you're not looked at as the figurehead, you can last a lot longer.
00:15:13
You know, we saw someone like a pilot Pete who had a lot of sway had a whole group that he was locking behind doors and having meetings with, but the problem was he was seen as the figurehead and they were like, we're going to get this guy out.
00:15:23
Look at Sandra last season, somebody who had a lot of sway, who was in the shadows.
00:15:28
Yeah, that's perfect.
00:15:29
That's a perfect place to be.
00:15:31
I think it speaks to how important it is to make relationships more so than catching or figuring out traders, having influence and relationships will go way longer way.
00:15:42
And honestly, it's clearly something West was doing very obvious to the people there because they kept talking about how he's looking for numbers to be safe and they were, they found that to be a little bit sketchy.
00:15:54
So I think influence is the number one thing you want.
00:15:58
Yeah.
00:15:59
We'll talk more about West when we get to the roundtable ceremony, but Bob Harper ends up being the person who ends up getting more no word on a exit interview with Bob Harper.
00:16:10
If it's offered to us, we will take it, we'll talk to Bob H, but he said, boy, the traders are playing a ballsy game.
00:16:20
Bob, you have no idea.
00:16:22
You, my God, it's so much Bob.
00:16:24
I mean, look at it this way, Rob, think of it this way.
00:16:27
If Bob was still there, those votes might be the other way round at the roundtable.
00:16:32
Like that was one key vote that could have mattered big time that got taken off the board.
00:16:36
For sure.
00:16:37
Bob Harper.
00:16:38
But maybe Bob Harper is like a, and maybe he has like one or two people that he's able to sway.
00:16:43
So ultimately, Danielle thought it was not such a hot idea, but ultimately I think for Rob that proved out to be a good person to take out because it didn't put too much evidence on him.
00:16:53
Get a lot of sand of all in this episode.
00:16:56
Sand of all is being like, we're really like nobody thinks he's a trader, but he's got a lot of wild theories.
00:17:03
I'd say, I'm starting to come around on the sand of all.
00:17:06
I, I'm enjoying sand of all.
00:17:08
I mean, he's getting the, the most dodo edit we've seen, I think, and that man was onto something.
00:17:16
He was looking for a, for an armory with a, with a shield and he was not wrong, that existed.
00:17:21
But my God, it's so funny to me to hear multiple people talk about how Tom Sand of all has 83 theories.
00:17:28
None of them make sense and no one cares.
00:17:30
And just see him hear that and still act like his information is valid.
00:17:35
His top suspect coming into this episode, Dolores, the person who was safe last night with a shield.
00:17:42
Yeah.
00:17:43
I thought it was funny at the round table where he's going to start talking about things at the round table and Derek's like, no, like, we don't have time for that.
00:17:55
We have too many other things to get to.
00:17:57
We can't be doing, we're not getting into Dolores.
00:18:02
So now, you know, I'm enjoying the comedic relief from sand of all.
00:18:08
Rob is thinking though that it could be Wes.
00:18:13
Rob is looking at Wes, really, I seem like that Derek has sort of done a better job of evading Rob's detection, even though Wes and Derek have basically had the same theory.
00:18:27
For the same reason, the one who's actually committed, we saw Wes in the episode, Wes is like, I don't know, Derek is like, I bet my life on it.
00:18:35
I think for Wes, the worry was this, that in the event that Rob is in a trader and they still think the cage boys are one of them is a trader, I'm going next.
00:18:44
Whereas for Derek, he's like, even if Rob's not a trader, they're going to go Wes next and then Wes probably is like, I think he was more convinced.
00:18:51
Whereas Wes was a little bit also apprehensive.
00:18:56
He got grilled by Boston Rob personally.
00:18:58
So I think for him, he was a little bit like, okay, maybe I go to the show.
00:19:01
There's shadows on this one.
00:19:02
Maybe I don't pull at this thread.
00:19:04
I think also Rob, the reason why Wes is getting the eyes on him more than Derek is from Rob is that Rob is seeing Wes make moves and talk to people.
00:19:15
Whereas even here, I think the difference with how Boston Rob got votes together versus Derek is that Derek was giving people riddles of like, he wasn't outright saying,
00:19:26
let's go for Rob.
00:19:27
He was saying stuff like, you know, the person you said last night, I'm into it.
00:19:30
Yeah.
00:19:31
I think that's the direction I'm going to go.
00:19:32
Honestly.
00:19:33
I think that in terms of play style, and I'm not a challenge super fan.
00:19:38
I've watched Wes play in like one and a half seasons of the challenge.
00:19:42
One of them was challenged USA.
00:19:43
I think that Wes and Rob are similar in players in that both of them play the same way, which is strength through fear and power,
00:19:55
you know, that they are, okay, I am running things do not cross me.
00:20:00
I think that Wes and Rob share that Derek, I think is a little bit more as by nature goes undercover a little bit of like, hey, I'm the nice guy.
00:20:11
I'm just a dad.
00:20:12
I'm going to, I'm going to like, you know, you know, have, have a good relationship with everybody.
00:20:18
But Derek is much more about, I'm not showing you exactly who I am.
00:20:24
Rob and Wes, I think are both like, you know, strength through dominance.
00:20:29
And Derek was able to hide a little bit more with that, in my opinion, now Pooja.
00:20:36
I have for you a difficult question, okay?
00:20:40
Okay.
00:20:41
I'm going to embrace myself.
00:20:43
All right.
00:20:44
For Derek to deduce that Rob is the trader, okay, should, do we give this the same amount of credit to come in as one,
00:20:55
as one of the cage people, as one of the cage boys.
00:20:59
He knows himself.
00:21:01
He is not one of the cage boys.
00:21:03
Do we grade this at all on a curve in that, okay, well, it's got to be a 50, 50 shot.
00:21:10
It's either Rob or Wes.
00:21:13
I think especially then when you see, Wes didn't get it, Wes did, it was in the same spot.
00:21:18
He didn't get it.
00:21:20
Well, Wes was the first one who brought up Rob's name as a suspect after that round table.
00:21:26
But for Derek, I think the biggest signs being a, Rob should have been eliminated because of all this.
00:21:32
Why is he not gone?
00:21:33
I think that was the huge indicator.
00:21:36
That and also like, why are the, all the cage boys still here?
00:21:39
That feels like a little bit suspect, I think.
00:21:41
Yeah.
00:21:42
So I think that Derek has a 50, 50 shot, a decent 50, 50 shot.
00:21:46
And I think just based on how Boss and Rob is presenting himself and the things happening, it stops being a 50, 50 becomes like 80, 20 at that point.
00:21:53
Because for everybody else, like, this is like the Monty Hall problem of like, okay, door number one, door number two, door number three, okay, pick which one.
00:22:00
I don't know it.
00:22:01
I mean, it's one of them, right?
00:22:02
But we don't know which one.
00:22:04
And then, you know, okay, well, Derek gets to, like, I know it's not, it's, we'll show you this one.
00:22:09
It's not me.
00:22:10
Okay.
00:22:11
So it's like a 50, 50 proposition, like, well, it's either Rob or Wes, right?
00:22:16
And armed with the information, I'm like, okay, Rob, that is a coincidence that Rob was so sure about Bob the drag queen that I think that that does help ice it for Derek.
00:22:27
I think that I think also Rob being the first one of the three to be like, we have to go after Bob the drag queen, Bob the drag queen through the cage boys out.
00:22:34
That I think is another big red flag because if you're a faithful, you're like, I understand everyone's going to theorize on us coming in whatever, um, to push like that is extreme.
00:22:42
Yeah.
00:22:43
I think also the one that clocked that.
00:22:45
Yeah.
00:22:46
Yeah.
00:22:47
Yeah.
00:22:48
Like Wes clocked that for sure.
00:22:49
And also the again, banish me if I'm wrong.
00:22:51
Yeah.
00:22:52
Because he and Rob are the same.
00:22:53
It's like, yeah, that's exactly what I would do.
00:22:55
That's what I would say.
00:22:56
Yeah.
00:22:57
I think Rob, I think credit or credits due to both cage boys for figuring out that the one among them is not each other.
00:23:09
I feel like we'll get into it, but we have to talk, we'll talk about Wes when we talk about Wes.
00:23:15
But right now as it stands for Derek, I give him like a, like a half grade for that one.
00:23:20
Like he definitely piece it together, but the puzzle was almost complete at that point.
00:23:25
He put the last piece in.
00:23:27
He did what Bob the drag queen said that Dylan Efron does.
00:23:31
No, no, no, he, he, he, he participated.
00:23:34
It was a thousand piece.
00:23:35
He put like 15 in 20 and he did his part, but you put 500 in.
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After breakfast, we're starting to see a little bit more conversation about the Boston Rob Derek tells West he is as sure as he possibly can be West is like,
00:24:26
I don't know if I want to stake my game on this.
00:24:30
Yeah, like, like I said, for West based on what he said there, it, to me, sounds like even if there's a 2% chance that Rob is then a faithful,
00:24:40
I'm next, I'm going next of the two of us.
00:24:43
If they're looking to complete the cage boys saga, and I don't think he wanted to put himself in the spotlight like that.
00:24:51
And I think that he didn't want to again, getting Rob out isn't going to be easy.
00:24:55
And I think that's recognizable.
00:24:57
Did he want his name on the poster?
00:24:59
No, because again, the last thing you want to be is like the main detective to get out of a trader, because then you're either going to get murdered by the traders, or if you are a trader, you're going to be looked at for the future.
00:25:10
Right.
00:25:11
So we see Carolyn talk to Brittany.
00:25:13
This is a big Brittany episode, Brittany's biggest episode of the.
00:25:16
We've been waiting for.
00:25:17
We've been clamoring.
00:25:18
We've been waiting.
00:25:19
We've been waiting.
00:25:20
And so Carolyn Brittany talk and Brittany mentions of Carolyn, I heard your name.
00:25:24
And she's like, Oh, I heard you said my name.
00:25:27
And Karen's like, Oh my god, I swear I didn't do that.
00:25:30
So I swear on everything that the last name I would say.
00:25:37
And this is where it begins, Rob, this is when Carolyn's like, you know what, I'm done.
00:25:40
I don't even try.
00:25:41
I don't trust Danielle for a second, because Brittany doesn't say it was Danielle.
00:25:45
Brittany says it's someone close to me.
00:25:47
And she knows.
00:25:48
She knows.
00:25:49
Okay.
00:25:50
The puzzle.
00:25:51
Okay.
00:25:52
All right.
00:25:53
We're right there.
00:25:54
She said that's it.
00:25:55
We're supposed to be back together.
00:25:56
I can't trust Danielle.
00:25:57
That's it.
00:25:58
I'm coming for her.
00:25:59
Yeah.
00:26:00
I think this is something also that when we talk about the end is important.
00:26:04
I think a lot of factors went into who goes home tonight.
00:26:07
And this was a big part of it.
00:26:09
The beginning of the end for the traders as it stood.
00:26:12
Okay.
00:26:13
We had our mission.
00:26:14
This was, I think, probably one of the least interesting missions that we've gotten this season.
00:26:20
There were three.
00:26:21
Really?
00:26:22
You loved it?
00:26:23
No.
00:26:24
No.
00:26:25
No.
00:26:26
But you were not too delighted by the by the biggest statue of the trader.
00:26:27
I think I'm going to call shenanigans.
00:26:29
I don't think they got 1500 pounds of gunpowder.
00:26:32
Come on.
00:26:33
They just want to blow up the statue.
00:26:36
Come on.
00:26:37
Yeah.
00:26:38
How much gunpowder do you think sitting those buckets and bags they were dragging over?
00:26:42
I mean, I don't know.
00:26:43
Now, listen, I've never lifted a bucket of gunpowder.
00:26:45
I don't know how heavy it is, but it was like 15 minutes in.
00:26:49
They had zero.
00:26:51
There's only like 15 players.
00:26:53
They were telling me like each person like got in a hundred pounds of gunpowder.
00:26:58
Boston Rob, like through the thing up didn't even get in the bucket.
00:27:03
He missed.
00:27:04
He air balled that.
00:27:05
That last one.
00:27:06
Yeah.
00:27:07
Yeah.
00:27:08
That was a hundred pounds.
00:27:09
Could you throw?
00:27:10
Yeah.
00:27:11
Even like, let's say that like did each person carry a 50 pound bucket and get it in twice.
00:27:16
I don't think so.
00:27:19
It did not seem like they were going to be close.
00:27:22
No.
00:27:23
And there couldn't be a hundred.
00:27:25
That couldn't have been a hundred pounds because Rob could not launch that like that for a hundred pounds of life.
00:27:30
I'm sure he's still.
00:27:31
But still he's not like doing a shot putt, which I just googled the way of a shot putt because that's the first thing I thought of 16 pounds 16 pounds in open competitions.
00:27:43
Yeah.
00:27:44
Right.
00:27:45
So look.
00:27:46
I'm not buying it.
00:27:47
I think the trader they play fast and loose whatever who cares, but you know, like it's got always comes down to the wire.
00:27:53
They wanted to blow up the statue.
00:27:54
Yeah.
00:27:55
The key part of this mission that mattered was that there were three gray shields and three shields.
00:28:02
And so everyone finds their shield.
00:28:03
They made the question extremely easy for the shield.
00:28:06
There was how many people were on pontoons eight done.
00:28:09
What was fun to me was the one group Carolyn just snatched the shield as Tom Sandwell opened it.
00:28:16
Tom's like, do you mind?
00:28:17
Can I can I have that?
00:28:18
Yeah.
00:28:19
Can I was like, I grabbed it first?
00:28:20
Yeah.
00:28:21
That's like the classic like group immunity idol hunt move of like first person to see it.
00:28:27
Take it.
00:28:28
Yeah.
00:28:29
Finders keepers.
00:28:30
As far as I'm concerned.
00:28:31
Finders keepers.
00:28:32
Right.
00:28:33
Oh, it's our group shield.
00:28:34
I mean, they all made the right move, which was, hey, as long as we don't tell them who has it, we're all safe.
00:28:40
Now the problem is that gets nullified when all three shields are found and all three groups do not disclose.
00:28:46
You do not know who has the shield, but then everyone is up for grabs again.
00:28:51
But then Rob, the two other groups, they decided on a more diplomatic way to get across who gets the shield.
00:28:58
And twice it came up in this order, scissors, papers rock, not rock, paper, scissors.
00:29:03
Oh, interesting.
00:29:04
The two people suggested it.
00:29:05
Yeah.
00:29:06
Is that a regional thing?
00:29:07
I'm sure.
00:29:08
I wonder is it copyrighted?
00:29:09
They're going to have to say it on peacock, rock, paper, scissors.
00:29:11
No, but then someone else said rock, paper, scissors, like Dylan later said, you know, I was an internment with a hundred people and I won.
00:29:17
So I'm really good at rock, paper, scissors.
00:29:19
He was in a squid game with rock, paper, scissors, yeah, and he won.
00:29:25
And he won.
00:29:26
I don't know what he won, but he won the shield here too.
00:29:28
Yeah.
00:29:29
Good for him.
00:29:30
He does win it here.
00:29:31
The Derek's group, Derek is like, I would like to shield like no, rock, paper, scissors.
00:29:37
And Michelle wins.
00:29:38
He's not happy about instantly knocked out Derek.
00:29:41
And so it ends up with then Carolyn, Dylan and Michelle are the three people with shields.
00:29:49
We will get back to that later on when we talk about who the traders are going to murder.
00:29:54
But there's also a moment in this where Carolyn and Gabby talk, Carolyn asked Gabby, hey, people are saying my name.
00:30:03
I'm hearing my name.
00:30:05
It's Dan.
00:30:06
Yeah.
00:30:07
Yeah.
00:30:08
Yeah.
00:30:09
Gabby opens up turns as listen, and she even gives a confession on what she says.
00:30:12
I feel good about Carolyn, Carolyn's safe with me.
00:30:15
I'm going to tell her what she needs to know and drops Danielle's name.
00:30:18
And again, like I said earlier, then maybe at this point, it was when Carolyn decides, okay, not only am I done with Danielle, I'm going to start, I'm going to start a ruckus here.
00:30:27
I'm going to start a fire now with this.
00:30:29
Mm-hm.
00:30:30
Yeah.
00:30:31
So she's going to go on offense against Danielle on the car ride home.
00:30:35
I thought it was wonderful also that Danielle and Carolyn are sitting next to each other in the car.
00:30:40
They knew what they were doing with that and all the girls sticking together and Carolyn's just in confessionals like, I can't even with fake it with her.
00:30:51
Well, she's like, I'm not going to waste my time.
00:30:55
I'm not going to waste my time.
00:30:56
Also in my notes, I have paper rock scissors.
00:30:58
So it wasn't even scissors paper rocks.
00:31:00
Someone said paper rock scissors, which I think of the three orders to call it, call the Game By.
00:31:05
That's the weirdest combination is going paper first.
00:31:07
That's just me.
00:31:08
Yeah.
00:31:09
I'm in my head now.
00:31:10
I don't even know what the right order is.
00:31:12
I don't think there is.
00:31:13
I think anyone that really cares is a problem, even though I'm the first one who brought it up.
00:31:18
Rob.
00:31:19
Yeah.
00:31:20
Let's talk about your buddy.
00:31:21
Sam is Garry.
00:31:22
Okay.
00:31:23
Why is he my guy?
00:31:24
So I think for a easier guy, because you're a guy, I think this was my favorite Sam episode as well.
00:31:31
Okay.
00:31:32
Yeah, exactly two moments that stood out to me.
00:31:36
But the first one was when they were getting the stuff going for the mission.
00:31:43
And Derek said something along the lines of, do you need help keeping it up?
00:31:47
Yeah.
00:31:48
You need help getting it up for you?
00:31:50
Yeah.
00:31:51
It was just a pause.
00:31:52
And Sam was like, that was weird.
00:31:56
Mm-hmm.
00:31:57
It's accidental, but I loved it.
00:32:00
Yeah.
00:32:01
This other one, I have to ask you.
00:32:02
I need to know the truth, Rob.
00:32:04
Sam, so Brittany and Sam are seen as a B-roll shot to start the next scene.
00:32:08
And Brittany's like, have you ever had a Brownie?
00:32:10
You should totally have a Fudge Brownie.
00:32:12
So good.
00:32:13
And Sam said, I hate Brownies.
00:32:15
It's too much chocolate.
00:32:16
Too much.
00:32:17
Now, where do you stand on this?
00:32:19
Cause Brownie's.
00:32:20
I love a good Brownie.
00:32:21
I wonder if maybe Sam is Garry a good-looking guy.
00:32:25
Maybe he's a macro counter.
00:32:27
Maybe.
00:32:28
Who knows?
00:32:32
I mean, listen, you cheat on your macros with a brownie on the phone, man.
00:32:36
I mean, you could, you could, you know, count your macros and love a Brownie also though.
00:32:40
Yeah.
00:32:41
Oh, for sure.
00:32:42
For sure.
00:32:43
Why can't you do both?
00:32:44
Yeah.
00:32:45
I don't know.
00:32:46
I don't know.
00:32:47
Maybe he just doesn't have a taste for it.
00:32:48
Some people, like, there's, I think it's like an 80/20 thing.
00:32:49
There's like a, you know, a lot of people, they just do not like chocolate, doesn't do anything for them.
00:32:54
Yeah.
00:32:55
So in the, in the old, like, as far as candies go, are you more of a gummy candy or a chocolate candy person?
00:33:01
I'm chocolate candy all day.
00:33:02
I don't hate gummy candy, but chocolate comes first to me.
00:33:05
Yeah.
00:33:06
Okay.
00:33:07
So let's talk about back at the manor.
00:33:10
Okay.
00:33:11
All right.
00:33:12
So we see West tell Dolores, Sandivall, saying your name, a sandwich just like going ham on whatever food is out.
00:33:22
Oh my God.
00:33:23
There's Sandivall's like eating where he's extending over the table.
00:33:27
There are clearly chairs here that you can use.
00:33:29
Yeah.
00:33:30
But he's standing and he's not like, you know, you bring your head closer to the table to like not spill.
00:33:34
He's like lifting, like he's like, he's like almost like a middle craning.
00:33:38
It was weird.
00:33:40
And Rob, the speed to which this man was shoveling, I was like, are you chewing?
00:33:44
Are you not?
00:33:45
This was like a scarf down.
00:33:47
How hungry was this?
00:33:48
He's hungry.
00:33:49
Very.
00:33:50
Yeah.
00:33:51
Rob is not there to tell him to stop eating either.
00:33:53
300 pounds of gunpowder.
00:33:54
Work up an appetite.
00:33:55
Really?
00:33:56
Yes.
00:33:57
You're going to get the shield.
00:33:58
Yeah.
00:33:59
You need to load up.
00:34:00
Okay.
00:34:01
We see Derek is now trying to put the plan out there to get Rob.
00:34:04
He talks to Ivar and he says, Ivar, you know, there's something you said.
00:34:09
You really, you really put the idea in my head.
00:34:12
And he's like, what idea was that?
00:34:15
Like, you know, the idea about Rob, like, oh yeah.
00:34:21
You influenced me?
00:34:23
This was a mishandling of a voter by Derek with Ivar.
00:34:28
And we'll talk about it more when we get to the roundtable because I think Rob did a way better job with Ivar.
00:34:32
And we'll get into that.
00:34:33
But it's very clear when you get to the West vote.
00:34:36
Yes.
00:34:37
Yeah.
00:34:38
Yes.
00:34:39
So when Derek goes, you've influenced me.
00:34:42
Let's just say that.
00:34:43
That's Derek's way of trying to give the power to Ivar similar to how Rob did it with Dylan.
00:34:49
But I think the difference is Ivar doesn't even remember the goddamn name he put on last night.
00:34:54
He doesn't have conviction in his decision.
00:34:56
And so it doesn't carry as much weight.
00:34:59
And I think especially when you're going after a boss and Rob, like I truly think as much as working from the shadows is the move.
00:35:05
Just put your name out there because this is going to be a very hard shuffle to make happen.
00:35:10
Okay.
00:35:11
So we see that Rob is talking to sand of all in Gabby about West.
00:35:22
West is the guy we got to look out for.
00:35:25
And he, one of the main things Rob uses for his campaigning is that, you know, was in West the one that was most convinced on Nikki and a lot of us ended up going that way because of West, which I was like,
00:35:35
that was two roundtables ago.
00:35:37
And he did changes to him before the vote out.
00:35:39
But listen, the evidence was there Rob.
00:35:42
The evidence was there.
00:35:43
I'm sure that if he needed to, if Derek was doing a lot, he could be like, you know, wasn't Derek the one pushing us to go for Sierra, wasn't that the thing?
00:35:49
So again, you put someone's name out there.
00:35:52
They're not even there to defend themselves.
00:35:54
And you harp on the emotion and be like, wow, I remember how sad Nikki was leaving cause that pain.
00:35:59
It wasn't me.
00:36:00
Yeah.
00:36:01
So West was trying to stir something up there.
00:36:05
But Carolin is going to work planting seeds about Danielle.
00:36:10
She tells Dolores Danielle saying my name.
00:36:13
Yeah.
00:36:14
She listen, Carolin's mission this morning has been, okay, I need to visit as many people as I can.
00:36:22
And if they've heard my name, I need to put out that I know Danielle's put my name out there and how weird that is.
00:36:27
And we should be looking at her.
00:36:28
Okay.
00:36:29
Let's stop down and talk about Carolin who we love.
00:36:33
Carolin.
00:36:34
Incredible television.
00:36:35
Check out Carolin talking to Matt Scott on pod friends here on the JP, great conversation with Carolin.
00:36:44
But Pooey, I want to ask you about, what do you think about the way Carolin has handled this business here with Danielle?
00:36:52
Because she's in a tough spot, okay?
00:36:54
There is a traitor that I don't trust and there's not a ton of sus on Danielle right now.
00:37:03
No, not a ton of sus on Danielle similarly up until this point, not a lot of looking at Carolin either.
00:37:10
I think they're almost like the, each other's opponents in a way at the turret for playing the similar game.
00:37:16
Now, for us on the outside looking at Danielle's played a worse game, but for the perceptions of the manner, let's say they're playing level Rob, I think the way Carolin approached this, whilst it's not great for her game,
00:37:28
you cannot falter for playing this game.
00:37:31
I think when you've already seen Rob draw blood in the turret, and you're not really sure about him, then the person that is looking to, you said, we don't like how he's moving,
00:37:42
let's keep an eye on him, is now saying your name, who does she have left the turn to?
00:37:47
She doesn't.
00:37:48
And if Danielle keeps playing the game she's playing and makes a couple of allies and then is involved with getting rid of her Rob, I think she correctly realizes that she could turn it on me with more power,
00:37:59
more sway.
00:38:00
So right now by dampening any goodwill Danielle has early, she can kind of guarantee that Danielle doesn't have enough pull to push people onto her.
00:38:10
And I think doing, you know, putting your most self out there as Carolin is right now is a good way to remind people, isn't it ridiculous that Danielle saying Carolin's name,
00:38:21
look at Carolin.
00:38:22
Carolin's not a traitor.
00:38:23
We do not think she's a traitor.
00:38:24
Yeah, that's such a good point.
00:38:25
It's not a bad move.
00:38:26
Carolin has sort of like in the way, and I don't know if this is by design or it's just the ultimate like way that this is going to play out because I was going to say a moment ago that, okay,
00:38:36
I think that what Carolin is doing here is pretty good, but maybe at the round table, why is she bringing up Danielle's name, why is she voting for Danielle, but you make a really great point that Carolin in a way has sort of like,
00:38:49
annihilated herself against what Danielle has to come and say.
00:38:54
So when Danielle now goes and says Carolin's name again, guess what?
00:38:59
That information is running back to Carolin and it's a little bit like, hey, maybe Carolin has a point here.
00:39:05
So ultimately, I don't know how much that Carolin might have thought like, okay, I'm getting Danielle voted out at this round table, but I think that in effect, what she does do is sort of like really make herself like very safe from Danielle's accusations.
00:39:23
And I think it won't be until the point that Rob also turns on, Carolin, if that happens, I kind of feel like that Carolin is kind of safe.
00:39:31
>> Yeah, I think it also helps that it shows consistency in who Carolin is, at least the perception she's giving the rest of the castle, which is if you ask anybody that day,
00:39:41
did you talk to Carolin today?
00:39:42
It's like, yeah, she was talking about how Danielle said her name.
00:39:45
And then that lines up with what she does at the round table.
00:39:48
I think we often talk about how when a trader leaves, you look at who they were accusing and voting for and you might find a trader there, I think right now with how early this has come up and how Danielle didn't leave and it was one vote,
00:40:01
I think it stands to potentially exonerate her and be like, oh, Danielle was just trying to like put some sus on some under the radar people, not so much, okay, Danielle was doing trader on trader crime here.
00:40:13
And for Carolin's POV, there's a world where they look at it and they think, oh, Carolin was just defending herself against Danielle's accusations.
00:40:19
So I think this can absolutely work for her in a world where for some other people that might not work at all.
00:40:24
Yeah.
00:40:25
All right.
00:40:26
Brittany has some suspicions, okay.
00:40:30
She's suspicious of Wes and the way that he has been playing.
00:40:34
Brittany pulls Derek aside and asks Derek about, hey, are you the one who's coming for Rob?
00:40:45
Are you the one that's taking the charge on this and he was like,
00:41:05
no, I'm looking at him.
00:41:11
But no, which again, this is him trying to evade that agency.
00:41:15
Like this wasn't me don't look at me traders because remember his main thing, his smoking gun against Rob is Rob clutched up and spearheaded getting rid of a trader.
00:41:25
Why is he still here?
00:41:26
I think for him, he's like, I'm a faithful.
00:41:28
If I spearhead getting out of trader, I'm dead in the morning.
00:41:31
I don't want to be dead, but I want to get him out.
00:41:33
So that's why he's trying to like act a little nonchalant.
00:41:36
I think he tries really hard to give Ivar the credit.
00:41:39
I think when he went to West, he really wanted West to push it on West was like, I'll pile on.
00:41:44
He got it though.
00:41:45
So it's him trying to like get all the votes without being the main.
00:41:49
But the problem is currently you're the only one pushing that name.
00:41:52
So everyone's going to know it's you coming from you.
00:41:55
And with Brittany, don't mince words with Brittany.
00:41:58
It was so funny to me, Rob, because from here on out, this is where this relationship goes to shit.
00:42:03
Go sour.
00:42:04
Yeah.
00:42:05
And I love at the end of the episode when she's like, can I borrow you to yell at you?
00:42:09
I loved it.
00:42:10
That was such a good moment.
00:42:12
Yeah.
00:42:13
Derek loses a key part of like his contingency here with the way that he mishandles Brittany.
00:42:20
He pulls Danielle in now Danielle.
00:42:23
This is what we were saying going back to last week of the week before.
00:42:27
If Danielle wants to get rid of Rob, Derek's right here.
00:42:29
Derek's ready to go.
00:42:31
Danielle talked to Derek, and she's like, Oh, I would love that.
00:42:35
Yeah.
00:42:36
Please vote.
00:42:37
I posted Rob.
00:42:38
And she's going to put her faith in Derek.
00:42:40
She is.
00:42:41
But with Derek to get rid of Rob, Rob, I think that was the time I would like to bring this up.
00:42:48
Did you notice how if Danielle had not put Carolin's name out last episode, Carolin would never vote for Danielle at this round table.
00:42:56
She would vote Rob out with Danielle.
00:42:59
And at the very least, we'd have a tie vote here and probably could get out Rob.
00:43:03
I think Rob could have gone.
00:43:05
If not for this vote, the voting going the way it did on me ended with a 75.
00:43:11
So the thing is though that Carolin's one vote was for Danielle.
00:43:20
So instead of 75, I think it's seven six.
00:43:24
Oh, right.
00:43:25
Well, Wes also messed up quite a bit.
00:43:29
So yeah, yeah, there's other people may not see that it was on this, but the irony wasn't lost on me that this was the closest, and it could have been even closer, how to not be very close to it.
00:43:38
It was very close.
00:43:39
Okay.
00:43:40
All right.
00:43:41
Danielle and Rob are left alone, okay?
00:43:45
Chris Shell is, she tells Rob that Wes is coming from like Danielle and Rob left alone.
00:43:49
Okay.
00:43:50
And Rob says to her, do you think that's true?
00:43:56
And Danielle, this is a non answer that she does, she, that I think that Rob, this might have been a, like a little bit of like the alarm bells going off for him.
00:44:08
She said, I heard Wes, everybody's saying Wes.
00:44:13
Yeah.
00:44:14
It was a, no, no, no, no, absolutely not.
00:44:16
I've just heard Wes.
00:44:17
It was a, I've, I've been hearing Wes.
00:44:19
That's all I've heard is Wes, Wes, Wes, Wes, Rob.
00:44:22
Chris Shell being in Rob's corner is huge for Rob as well.
00:44:26
Yeah.
00:44:27
Now, even doesn't have, she got Nikki voted out.
00:44:30
Yeah.
00:44:31
He doesn't have the bambies, but he does have Chris Shell who for the second week in a row is confiding in Rob in her theories and thoughts and warning him of his name coming up.
00:44:40
Mm-hmm.
00:44:41
Let's go to the round table.
00:44:46
Yes.
00:44:47
Great round table, incredible round table.
00:44:51
No notes.
00:44:52
Yeah.
00:44:53
What do you think this round table or the one with Bob versus Rob?
00:44:56
I feel like the Bob versus Rob still has to be number one.
00:44:59
It was more fiery from both sides.
00:45:01
I agree.
00:45:02
Yeah.
00:45:03
It was spicier.
00:45:04
I liked it better.
00:45:05
It was like 10 out of 10.
00:45:06
It was like 9 out of 10.
00:45:08
This was incredible.
00:45:09
Okay.
00:45:10
All right.
00:45:11
Yes.
00:45:12
So here we go.
00:45:14
What we mentioned, Dolores is going to throw out Tom.
00:45:18
Okay.
00:45:19
Tom is going to tell the reasons for Dolores Derek's like, we can't guys.
00:45:23
We don't have that kind of time.
00:45:25
I loved it because Tom was like getting nervous and Dolores says, I don't think you should be nervous to say this because I don't think it will make any sense.
00:45:33
So go ahead.
00:45:34
Go for it.
00:45:35
No, not there.
00:45:36
Okay.
00:45:37
All right.
00:45:38
So Derek lays out the evidence.
00:45:42
Okay.
00:45:43
Bob Harper voted for Rob.
00:45:46
And then Derek thought there's no way Rob could walk in the breakfast.
00:45:49
But there he is.
00:45:51
Okay.
00:45:52
After he was so sure about Bob the drag queen, Rob is a trainer.
00:45:57
Yeah.
00:45:58
And he also says, listen, Bob had a choice that night.
00:46:02
He could have voted Nikki to stay in.
00:46:05
He voted Rob.
00:46:06
That was a sign.
00:46:07
And Rob, this might be a two for two on Boston Rob, quick on his feet, mountain of good defense here.
00:46:14
He did a great job.
00:46:15
I think that Rob knew he was going to have to go on the defense at this round table.
00:46:21
And he does a really great job.
00:46:23
He thinks that Derek has some good points, but that Derek is widely misguided.
00:46:30
I thought misguided was Dylan Ephraim.
00:46:33
Dylan.
00:46:34
Yeah.
00:46:35
I mean, a lot of people this season could have that moniker, they could have that name if they wanted it.
00:46:40
Yeah.
00:46:41
But here's why I think Rob's defense was kind of genius because initially I didn't get it.
00:46:47
But after you see how it all settles and makes sense.
00:46:49
So Rob says initially, first of all, Bob the drag queen got up there and said, everything I said was a lie.
00:46:55
So don't tell me that everything he said here was real because he said he was lying, which okay, but then Rob spent a lot of time talking about how he thought it was 50% him last night or 50% IVAR last night.
00:47:09
Why didn't they murder IVAR?
00:47:11
IVAR is the most clear faithful here.
00:47:13
Why are we not?
00:47:14
Why are they not murdering him?
00:47:16
And he's like, you know what, they're very smart.
00:47:19
The traders are very smart because this is how they put a target on me.
00:47:23
They don't have to murder me if you banish me.
00:47:26
And this was kind of the only defense you can have as a top detective who's still in the game is, yeah, they're trying to frame me.
00:47:34
They're trying to make you look at me longer if that's what's happening here.
00:47:37
And the reason I say it's genius is because he's basically complimenting IVAR here.
00:47:41
He's like, oh, IVAR, you're a faithful.
00:47:44
I think it was dumb for them not to get rid of you because you're so good.
00:47:47
You know what's going on, your lordship.
00:47:50
And I think this is what breaks the tie in his favor where he's getting very direct words from Rob, whereas with Derek, Derek's like, you know, the thing you said, I'm kind of, you know,
00:48:00
but you put him down and it's not quite hitting the same.
00:48:04
Yeah.
00:48:05
To add to what you're saying about Rob here, I think that this is something that I think that this is intentional.
00:48:12
He did this kind of with Bob the drag queen and he does it here with Wes of that he doesn't come out and says the name first.
00:48:19
He's like, who would do something like this?
00:48:22
Who would?
00:48:23
There's somebody in this room that's wicked, smart, okay?
00:48:28
And then people are sitting there like, well, who's, who, like, who could it be?
00:48:33
Who could it be?
00:48:34
And then there's like, oh, like, you know, Wes, like, and then when he says the name that they're almost like, yes, that makes sense is somebody who's smart,
00:48:44
that's Wes.
00:48:45
And he said, you know, with Bob the drag queen, there's somebody who's caught it back in every single thing that's happening out here.
00:48:53
And they're like, yeah, yeah, it's like, and it's you, Bob.
00:48:57
And they're like, yes, he is, that is, that is what's happening.
00:49:02
And I think that there's something like this is clearly a very powerful way to do it.
00:49:05
I think for those of us who are very familiar with Rob's game, you can see him all the way what he's doing, right?
00:49:11
You can see the marination.
00:49:13
But if you're new to him, if you're not that familiar with him, you're like, wow, this wartsman, this poet, he's putting things together.
00:49:20
You know Tom Sand of all was drooling and looking at Rob like he was a snack right there.
00:49:24
He's like, oh, my God, yeah, he just gets it.
00:49:26
And now Wes has to mount a defense because he's pushed it over to Wes.
00:49:30
Well, and the way that he does it is that he says it must be somebody smart who is doing this.
00:49:36
And he says, now I heard a lot of names.
00:49:38
I heard Dan, Dan Yell, Carolyn, they both like, whoa, Rob, what are you doing?
00:49:45
Hold on here, Dolores.
00:49:49
And he says that it's Wes.
00:49:52
All of them came from Wes is what he says.
00:49:54
Yeah.
00:49:55
He basically puts the entire blame on all the names on Wes, which kind of perfect.
00:50:00
This could have been a good patch up for the traders if Carolyn and Danielle didn't start putting the fingers at each other five minutes later, but they kind of all got jumped on board.
00:50:09
So Wes, once again, now Wes was the first one based off of the edit to clock, hey, what's the only way you could be 100% sure about a trader is if you're a trader.
00:50:19
Wes also says, maybe Bob the drag queen said it's one of those three guys, Rob heard that and then said, okay, now I'm going to take out like, yeah,
00:50:29
also that 100% correct that Wes is able to figure this out.
00:50:34
Again, him and Boston Rob, very similar.
00:50:35
So yeah, that's, that's what I would do in that situation.
00:50:38
But Wes goes to work to try to defend himself and perhaps the defense was not the right one for Wes.
00:50:50
This.
00:50:51
So you know how earlier you talked about how Rob and Wes kind of similar in that they play the game from the front aggressive with control.
00:50:59
The other thing that happens is I think Wes is a little more in the shadows or can be, but what I find with Wes and one of the reasons he's a big TV character is the minute he's detected.
00:51:09
He stands up.
00:51:10
He puts it on the table.
00:51:11
He's like, you know what?
00:51:12
I'm the goat.
00:51:13
I'm the best thing that's ever happened to any of you peasants and you're lucky to be in my presence.
00:51:18
Yes, I am there.
00:51:19
And he hams.
00:51:20
He turns the TV.
00:51:21
Wes on.
00:51:22
And he's like, if you vote for me tonight, I'm going to be looking at you.
00:51:25
So don't be stupid.
00:51:26
And it was from here that I felt like, oh my God, Wes is not going to survive the night.
00:51:31
I think they're going to let Rob stay very specific circumstance where Rob stays here.
00:51:36
And I think this was a huge part of it because the minute they took what Wes was saying as a threat, Rob, it didn't matter that Wes said, I will work on being more aggressive and tone it down.
00:51:46
They didn't hear that.
00:51:47
All they heard was you basically threatened me.
00:51:49
So now I don't trust you.
00:51:50
Yeah.
00:51:51
And that was bad.
00:51:52
Well, Creshell is the one that says that Wes is playing very aggressive and that ends up sort of like defining this conversation because Wes does say, okay, yes, I do play aggressive.
00:52:03
I am the winningest person at this table.
00:52:06
People don't even play on a show where you win.
00:52:08
But that being said, that being said, he said, I will work on dialing the aggression back.
00:52:16
But, and this is where he really gets himself in trouble.
00:52:19
If you vote for me, I've got my eye on you.
00:52:25
He does say, you know what a bad trader would do walk around being aggressive.
00:52:28
And I was like, well, you're describing yourself and Rob a little bit both here, like you're kind of both doing this.
00:52:35
But then yeah, the people who make this mistake and vote for me, I've got my eye on you.
00:52:41
Yeah.
00:52:42
And Rob says, Wes, I appreciate what you're trying to do.
00:52:46
But don't turn it, flipping around on me.
00:52:48
Oh my God.
00:52:49
This thing that Rob does would drive me up the wall.
00:52:51
It's like when you know the person's bad and they, and they, you know, kind of gas lets you a little bit.
00:52:57
Or they're being a little passive aggressive on you, patronizing.
00:53:00
I hate it.
00:53:01
I couldn't stand this.
00:53:02
I'd be fuming.
00:53:03
But it works.
00:53:04
But for, for, for Wes or for Rob, here comes, wait a little Carolyn is coming out of nowhere.
00:53:10
It's a real rumble.
00:53:11
They go.
00:53:12
I don't fit in here or in, in the real world.
00:53:22
I had an ally in Danielle until recently, but she's been saying my name.
00:53:26
The evidence is being overlooked.
00:53:31
And in the midst of this, she says that, yeah, I've heard her.
00:53:35
I've heard someone tell me that they, she said my name to them.
00:53:39
And this is when Brittany reveals herself and says, actually, I'm the one who told her I heard her name, but I never said who I got it from.
00:53:47
And I was like, I feel like Brittany wanted to make sure that Danielle doesn't think that Brittany betrayed her trust in any way while also trying to be good with Carolyn.
00:53:57
So then it got weird, then Jeremy's murder came up and you can tell Derek is seeing the opportunity slip from his hands that we're going off topic here.
00:54:08
And this helps Rob.
00:54:09
This, you know, we talked about a 10 versus a 9 rating.
00:54:13
This really bumped it up to 9.5 for me, just this random chaos that came at the end of the two traders pointing at each other was chef's kiss.
00:54:21
The fact that all three traders names were out there and then none of them leave is cinema.
00:54:26
This is so funny to me.
00:54:28
Yeah.
00:54:29
Derek feels like it's slipping away.
00:54:31
He's like, all right, all right, look, look.
00:54:35
Also Brittany jumps in to try to say like, I did hear Carolyn's name.
00:54:43
Yeah.
00:54:44
Brittany is a big part of this round table, but Derek says, look, this is about emotion versus objectivity.
00:54:51
I'm voting for Rob here.
00:54:54
Let's be serious, everybody, come on, remember.
00:55:00
I don't think this is the right plea to make at the round table.
00:55:03
You're basically telling me, yeah, get over your feelings.
00:55:08
We're not here to play feelings.
00:55:09
We're here to play with our minds like, don't tell me how to feel.
00:55:12
I'm sorry.
00:55:13
Did don't do that.
00:55:14
So I feel like that's kind of the wrong thing to do, especially on a game that is built on foundations of emotion every day, being like, I'm, I was the logical one.
00:55:23
All you idiots that are, you know, feeling things, stop it and vote this way.
00:55:27
I don't think that's going to work.
00:55:28
I think saying, you know, the whole thing, I can't imagine how dumb we will look if we vote on West because he rubs people the wrong way.
00:55:36
That is fine, but I think you didn't need the extra bit at the beginning.
00:55:40
Yeah.
00:55:41
Let me ask you this, that how do the faithful vote?
00:55:45
Do they vote off of the facts or do they vote on the feel that they get from some of these people at the round table?
00:55:54
I think that you, faithfuls are capable of doing both.
00:55:57
And I mean, that is every individual's capable of doing both.
00:55:59
We've seen that happen this season where Krishel following facts was like, the band piece are good.
00:56:06
I'm not looking at the babies.
00:56:07
Then feels an energy shift in Nikki last week and goes, nope, can't count down that feeling.
00:56:13
Have to go with the gut there.
00:56:14
So makes that vote happen.
00:56:17
We've seen, you know, Dylan brings up that he's feeling a little suspect of, he's feeling a little suspect above the drag queen, then using facts to mount the feeling he had.
00:56:27
So I think you can do both.
00:56:28
I think you're very capable of doing both, but the barometer on both is can be broken.
00:56:33
But Eric has come in with a logical argument of that it should be Rob where Rob that he's able to counter that by being able to jump on a feeling that a lot of people are having about West that he is coming exactly kind of aggressive and from a position of like they're feeling a little on there's uneasiness with West and Rob is able to capitalize on that.
00:56:58
Unfortunately for Derek and his true facts, it's just not going to win the day.
00:57:04
He doesn't have the juice.
00:57:05
And the other thing is it seems like for whatever reason, Sierra's name has kind of died out.
00:57:11
They were looking at the coffin theory and they're no longer looking at that.
00:57:14
They think it was a smoke screen.
00:57:16
And Derek was the loudest one on seara trying to back it up with facts and then West were both big on the coffin people that Derek on Sierra, West on Nikki, like I think that that's probably also probably was on the mind of Sierra in that moment of like,
00:57:32
okay, do I want to hitch my wagon to the cage, these two cage boys that are, we're throwing my name out there.
00:57:39
Yeah.
00:57:40
And it's like by Derek saying I'm voting Rob, he's essentially saying I'm working with West and not voting West and West just threatened basically people who vote for him.
00:57:50
So I feel like they're like, yeah, you know what, I don't want to be a part of that.
00:57:53
And Derek is a part of that.
00:57:54
So I'm not going to go that way.
00:57:55
Okay.
00:57:56
All right.
00:57:57
So before the vote, Brittany shakes her head at Dylan, no, don't do it.
00:58:04
Don't do it.
00:58:07
This is huge.
00:58:08
Now we did not see the close relationship between Brittany and Dylan prior to this.
00:58:15
Not that I've been privy to know, yeah, they've been a little bit more hidden relationship, but also I think that a lot of it has to do with the fact that we've not seen Brittany until this episode really.
00:58:25
Okay.
00:58:26
So Dylan is going to ultimately, seemingly changes vote, okay?
00:58:33
So we'll see.
00:58:34
I mean, I don't know if Dylan was ever going to vote out Rob in the spot, okay.
00:58:38
But Rob, based on the explanation he made, Rob, right?
00:58:42
He talks about how, you know, Rob helped me get out of Trader, so I feel good about him.
00:58:48
So I'm going with West here.
00:58:49
I don't even, I don't like that I got an ultimatum.
00:58:52
Yeah.
00:58:53
Okay.
00:58:54
Well, let's look at the votes here.
00:58:55
We're starting to get down to the point where we can start of kind of figure out what's going on.
00:58:59
Okay.
00:59:00
So Dylan votes for West, okay?
00:59:02
Carolyn votes for Danielle, West votes for Rob, okay?
00:59:10
Now we get to some of these like people that we're not really seeing so much about, Sam.
00:59:14
Sam who said to Rob, hey, if you show up tomorrow, I know you're a Trader votes for West.
00:59:23
We talked about the last episode, what was the last thing we saw, Rob went to work on Sam.
00:59:29
That was like that.
00:59:30
But when they went to bed, Rob was sitting with Sam.
00:59:33
He did his magic.
00:59:34
He got Sam back on board.
00:59:38
And and Brittany seemingly doesn't think it's Rob and Brittany and Sam seem to have at least some rapport where they're talking quite a bit.
00:59:47
So I think also if he's like, I don't know what do you think about Rob, I don't think it's Rob.
00:59:52
I think that can impact Sam.
00:59:53
Ivar also votes for West, even though Derek said this was Ivar's idea.
01:00:00
He called me a faithful and that chap is quite lovely.
01:00:03
I trust him now.
01:00:04
Okay.
01:00:05
Rob votes for West.
01:00:06
Dolores votes for Tom.
01:00:08
What are we doing?
01:00:09
Okay.
01:00:10
Dolores voting Tom Rob.
01:00:12
If you remember in this episode, West is the one who talks to Dolores and says Tom was saying your name.
01:00:18
Yeah, I truly think if he had not done that and spent his time just making rapport or even throwing Rob's name, that could have been one more vote to switch there.
01:00:28
That was a burn vote that mattered.
01:00:30
Okay.
01:00:31
This episode.
01:00:32
Danielle.
01:00:33
I thought Danielle was going to vote for West.
01:00:34
I was shocked when Danielle voted for Rob here, especially once Carolyn's throwing your name out like that.
01:00:44
Can you trust this round table to go how you need it to go?
01:00:47
I don't know about that.
01:00:48
I feel like, could you imagine though that Rob gets voted out and Danielle and Carolyn go up to the turret and then have to recruit somebody?
01:00:57
Who do they both agree on even?
01:00:59
I don't know.
01:01:00
That would have been a funny like a peppermint to sort of like be like with Parvati and Sandra to broke the piece.
01:01:06
Mediate.
01:01:07
Okay.
01:01:08
I did write on my notes that, you know, Dolores wouldn't be a bad person for them to recruit if Rob was leaving.
01:01:14
This is earlier in the episode when I thought Rob might leave, but then also all this drama didn't happen before that.
01:01:19
Yeah.
01:01:20
Maybe Brittany.
01:01:21
I feel like Brittany could, if she gets up in the turret with them, oh, she's the peppermint they need.
01:01:25
Yeah.
01:01:26
Oh, absolutely.
01:01:27
All right.
01:01:28
Gabby voted for Rob.
01:01:29
I was a little surprised.
01:01:33
Gabby did say I thought the argument from Derek was stronger.
01:01:36
Yeah.
01:01:37
So the logic stuff worked for Gabby.
01:01:39
And she's the one that took exception to West saying, I've got my eye on you.
01:01:43
Yeah, I think that that kind of shows that for Gabby, um, people can be loud and say what they need to say.
01:01:51
But if I don't think they're going to harm me in the game, I don't care.
01:01:56
Okay.
01:01:57
Derek voted for Rob.
01:01:58
Sandoval.
01:01:59
Vote for Rob.
01:02:00
Sandoval, listen, he wasn't the, you think he'd buy everything?
01:02:06
He didn't buy it this time.
01:02:07
He did vote Rob, which I genuinely thought it was going to vote West.
01:02:09
I got nervous here for Rob because I think at this point, it's five, four.
01:02:15
Mm hmm.
01:02:16
Yeah.
01:02:17
This is when the pendulum shifted and I thought, oh my god, wait, is Rob going tonight?
01:02:20
Okay.
01:02:21
But then Creshell votes for West.
01:02:24
Creshell and Rob have been tight.
01:02:25
Britney, she talks to Dylan Efron.
01:02:28
She votes for West.
01:02:29
And then the last vote, Ciara, she could tie it.
01:02:33
She votes for West.
01:02:36
I think Rob.
01:02:37
There's all was said and done here.
01:02:39
I think what was very clear in the round table was that people saw West as someone who's collecting numbers and, you know, if you collect numbers, you're unstoppable.
01:02:48
And I'm going to get bulldozed over.
01:02:51
So they were like, I'm not going to give him the satisfaction or the opportunity to get there.
01:02:54
And then when he threatened people, even jokingly said after Creshell's vote, I'm coming for all five of you.
01:02:59
And Britney said, well, make it six then because I also voted you West.
01:03:03
And I think, yeah, I think West looked like he was playing the game more strategically and playing the game more numbers wise, at least that's how they perceived him.
01:03:12
And they were like, we're not going to have this.
01:03:14
So bye-bye.
01:03:15
Okay.
01:03:16
So West stands up.
01:03:18
He says one of the greatest players, you know, I want, what do you say, I wanted nothing more than to I want it so bad to be a trader.
01:03:29
Yeah.
01:03:30
You're all chess pieces on the board to me, basically.
01:03:35
And to all the people who died so far, yeah, I have no idea who killed them.
01:03:39
I am a faithful.
01:03:40
And then he said, F, all you guys, the fingers up.
01:03:44
And it was a great exit.
01:03:45
Listen, I like Assaulty or a shady exit and West delivers.
01:03:49
Thank you, West.
01:03:50
Yeah.
01:03:51
I'm disappointed.
01:03:52
I thought that West was a great addition to the choice.
01:03:54
I think that ultimately West is kind of like Tony where that if you got them as a trader, you could have seen them live up to their full potential.
01:04:03
But as a faithful, I think that they, just like this personality type, I think Rob would have been wasted as a faithful to, like, but you can only have so many traders.
01:04:11
You can't just make all these people like these great reality TV villains as faithful.
01:04:17
It's just their miscast for that.
01:04:20
I agree.
01:04:21
And I know how earlier in the season, I said you have so many of the similar type.
01:04:25
You can spread them across seasons.
01:04:28
But the reason I said that Rob, my big worry coming into episode once we saw episode two's, twist play out was all these gamer gamers are going to get together.
01:04:38
They're going to make a little alliance.
01:04:40
There is steamroll this season.
01:04:41
It's going to be boring.
01:04:42
But when these personalities clash, when they clash Rob, look at the TV we're getting.
01:04:48
So maybe they were spitting with this one.
01:04:50
They figured out, okay, these people are all going to just work together and that worked out.
01:04:54
Yeah.
01:04:55
Okay.
01:04:56
And so Derek bummed out.
01:05:01
Hey, he's not used to not having the votes go his way.
01:05:06
Boston Rob calls it a crap show.
01:05:13
I had it in my notes twice, that exact phrasing until we got here.
01:05:19
It's so funny to me Rob.
01:05:20
It's so that when you look at these votes, the breakdown, the two burn votes that could have gone another way and decided it differently.
01:05:27
This was such a good episode.
01:05:28
I'm so happy.
01:05:29
Yeah, but there's still a lot that happens after the roundtable because it's not even done.
01:05:33
Brittany comes to this Derek and I need to yell at you, I need to yell at you, okay?
01:05:38
And then Derek is like, okay, then Derek has been right, right, right all the way through.
01:05:43
But now he's lost the plot to some degree when he's like, hey, well, I've been seeing you hang out with Rob.
01:05:49
All of a sudden you say Rob's not a traitor.
01:05:51
And Brittany is also wrong.
01:05:53
He's like, he's not, he's not a traitor.
01:05:56
He's like, that's it.
01:05:57
You're marked for fiction.
01:05:59
He doesn't say that, but he's basically like, they're out.
01:06:02
Well, she comes and she says, hey, I want to yell at you real quick and they go aside.
01:06:06
And then she says, you're such a dirty scumbag liar.
01:06:10
You said you weren't going after Rob.
01:06:12
And then he says to Brittany, well, you've been hanging with Rob a lot and you also told Dylan not to vote Rob.
01:06:19
So I have to imagine you're working together.
01:06:21
And if anything, I think you're a traitor.
01:06:23
The reaction Brittany gives Rob.
01:06:26
This is a gif-able moment.
01:06:27
This is a meme moment because she was so flabbergasted and then offended that Derek, the big brain, would see her as a traitor because it makes no sense to her.
01:06:39
>> Yeah.
01:06:40
Derek tells her, hey, I was beating Rob in there.
01:06:44
>> It was funny is that he then spends the remainder of the night trying to convince Dylan Efron that it's Rob and it's Brittany.
01:06:58
You need to watch them.
01:06:59
Brittany is supposed to be my number one and she's not even working with me.
01:07:03
And then Brittany does walk in and peek at the room.
01:07:07
>> I haven't seen Derek try to win over Dylan Efron that hard since Mike Bloom was fishing for likes on Twitter.
01:07:15
>> And here he is, fishing for votes Rob, fishing for some influence with you all lad.
01:07:23
>> Yeah.
01:07:24
>> And he tells Dylan, Brittany is a traitor too and then she walks in.
01:07:27
He's like, you see that, you see that, she's pissed, she's pissed.
01:07:33
>> This is so funny, obviously Derek said last episode.
01:07:37
If you don't murder me, it's a huge mistake because I'm coming after you.
01:07:42
He didn't murder him, he came after him, he fumbled, and now he's trying to, he's convinced he's leaving, right?
01:07:50
He's fully convinced he's outdoor.
01:07:51
>> He's on top a little bit and understandably so, okay, so let's just, so let's, we'll come back to that in a minute because we'll talk about who we think the traders might end up killing.
01:08:00
Boston Rob says, this is the worst group of traders.
01:08:03
What's wrong with these people?
01:08:05
>> It's a classic Boston Rob saying, we've been waiting for something like this.
01:08:09
But what's funny is Rob, you're part of the, you're part of that solution to my friends.
01:08:13
>> What?
01:08:14
>> What do I do?
01:08:15
>> No, not you.
01:08:16
>> Boston Rob.
01:08:17
>> Oh.
01:08:18
>> Let me go.
01:08:19
>> Why would you be a part of this?
01:08:20
>> You said Rob, you're part of this problem too.
01:08:22
I said, what do I do?
01:08:23
>> Yeah, I guess I should call him Boston Rob or should I call him B Rob?
01:08:27
Would that be better?
01:08:28
It's kind of like a Bob H?
01:08:29
>> Mm-hm.
01:08:30
>> To differentiate the two of you?
01:08:31
>> Sometimes they used to call him Rob M, a very short, a period of time.
01:08:35
Okay.
01:08:36
>> Oh man.
01:08:37
>> All right.
01:08:38
>> We go up to the turret and nobody's talking, they just stand there.
01:08:43
>> It's just silence.
01:08:45
>> Mm-hm.
01:08:46
>> All right, Rob is like, I thought we had an agreement, we're not going to go after each other.
01:08:54
>> It's not.
01:08:55
>> And you voted for Dan, you voted for me.
01:08:58
Come on.
01:08:59
>> Dan, you're like, listen, can I be honest with you?
01:09:05
>> My parents started when you went for Bob the Dracula and he's like, he said my name.
01:09:10
You were back re-litigating this?
01:09:12
>> It's like friends, that's become like, we were on a break.
01:09:16
He's like, yes.
01:09:17
>> He said my name, he signed my death certificate.
01:09:21
You know how it is.
01:09:25
>> And Carolyn is fuming because she thinks that Danielle did the most today.
01:09:31
And what's Danielle's only defense is, no, no, no, that was all yesterday.
01:09:34
I didn't say her name today.
01:09:35
>> Yes.
01:09:36
>> Yesterday.
01:09:37
>> But you were supposed to help fix it, Danielle.
01:09:41
You didn't, I didn't see you going around telling people that it's not the case.
01:09:44
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01:09:50
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01:09:54
>> It's the ultimate workplace comedy.
01:09:57
You thought the office was messed up?
01:09:59
Wait, do you see the traders?
01:10:03
>> Oh, if they had office style confessionals too, that would be perfect.
01:10:08
>> I mean, even more.
01:10:09
>> I got news for you.
01:10:10
I think they do.
01:10:11
There's a reality show.
01:10:13
>> I mean, it's there.
01:10:15
It's there.
01:10:16
>> Yeah.
01:10:17
>> But like, splice in like the b-roll of the actions happening as well around the traders castle.
01:10:23
>> Yeah.
01:10:24
>> All right.
01:10:25
>> All of this culminating.
01:10:28
>> Yeah.
01:10:29
>> Carolyn says, we have to go after Danielle.
01:10:32
She's like, yeah, if you bring it, I'm going to bring it back.
01:10:40
>> Danielle's like, well, I'm going to hit him with the facts.
01:10:43
I'm going to do that.
01:10:45
You've got to get ready to defend if that's going to happen.
01:10:48
>> Yeah.
01:10:49
>> So we have going into the next episode, three traders who last week we joked about them holding the guns out to each other like the office meme.
01:10:58
>> This week, it's genuinely happening.
01:11:03
>> It's genuinely happening.
01:11:04
>> Yeah.
01:11:05
>> Carolyn says, well, I'm going to go after you with a bunch of lies.
01:11:07
>> Well, it's funny, because when Danielle says that- >> Carolyn says that or Danielle says that.
01:11:11
>> I think, no.
01:11:12
Danielle said, I'm going to have facts.
01:11:13
I don't.
01:11:14
>> Yeah.
01:11:15
>> It was a lot happening here.
01:11:16
>> I can tell you this.
01:11:17
Boston Rob wasn't saying any of this.
01:11:18
>> Boston Rob looked more startled than I ever seen him in reality.
01:11:24
He's like, dumbfounded.
01:11:28
>> So you did not- >> So I'm on television where Boston Rob has that look.
01:11:33
>> Imagine, Boston Rob's coming into the turret tonight.
01:11:38
Having stared death in the face, survived it, successfully gone out someone who's saying his name.
01:11:45
And he can't even celebrate it because he's got no one to celebrate with.
01:11:49
This is what we're seeing right now, Rob, is essentially, the traders have now split into, it's stopped being a faithful versus traders game.
01:11:56
It's not a faithful versus trader, trader, trader.
01:11:59
It's a four person matchup and they're all alone.
01:12:03
It's like three solos rock in the turret now, which is fascinating and terrifying because who do you have?
01:12:10
You don't have anybody now.
01:12:11
>> It's wild.
01:12:12
Okay.
01:12:13
All right.
01:12:14
The traders have to make a kill that there's not much to spoil from the preview for this week, other than the traders are going to make a murder to somebody in place in plain sight.
01:12:25
So are they not making a decision right now?
01:12:29
>> So it was unsure, I personally, I just thought they're going to, like if this is the next murder, right?
01:12:36
We're going to get a knock on the door from Allen.
01:12:38
He's going to tell them what's going to happen and all that.
01:12:41
But I just thought more so they wanted to cliffhanger the turret and then we'll get the murder next week.
01:12:46
>> Okay.
01:12:47
Yes, they've had like, okay, they get like a letter and it's like, tonight, you're going to do that.
01:12:51
But I wonder if the producers and maybe I don't know if they have that kind of discretion of like, okay, we have to get them back in the same room after this.
01:12:57
Like after this, put them back in the same room, let them have it out and then, okay, all right.
01:13:03
And Allen comes in to tell them what's going on because if you separated them after this, it's like, you may never get this again.
01:13:09
>> Exactly.
01:13:10
I think if this is truly the next murder because I agree with you, typically there's a little bit of a setup going into it.
01:13:16
But I think in this specific instance, they didn't want the Danielle, Rob, and Carolyn first conversation to be out in the open because they knew they would probably like,
01:13:26
suppress it and not talk as much.
01:13:28
They were like, we need them in the turret.
01:13:30
It's kind of what I'm thinking, but it's weird because I feel like in a, this situation where it's murder and plane sight, I feel like they don't want this ambiguous situation where three shields are supposedly covering everybody in the castle.
01:13:46
So, I don't know if this is next week's twist or next setup or it is for this one.
01:13:51
>> Okay.
01:13:52
Well, let's just talk about the potentially, I'm going to be on the short list here.
01:13:57
Okay.
01:13:58
So Carolyn, Dylan and Krishel have the shields, but Carolyn obviously can't be killed.
01:14:05
We don't think, then take Daniel out of the mix, take Rob out of the mix.
01:14:10
Okay.
01:14:11
Now, which group was Rob in?
01:14:13
Was Rob in the group with Dylan?
01:14:17
That's what I need to know.
01:14:18
I think so because I don't think he was in the group with Derek, which means that he would have been in the group with Dylan.
01:14:24
Okay.
01:14:25
I think.
01:14:26
All right.
01:14:27
So, that group with Derek might be the one place that they don't have visibility into.
01:14:33
So maybe that whole group there with Derek, the Krishel group.
01:14:39
So I don't know, maybe Derek won't be murdered tonight because do you murder Derek tonight?
01:14:48
Here's the problem, Rob, because this is a situation we've seen happen before.
01:14:53
It is true they have visibility into the other two groups and they know who's safe to kill.
01:14:57
The problem is typically when a kill happens in that group, people start zeroing and on that group are having a traitor because they're the only ones that would have the information.
01:15:06
So in my opinion, now, if they were united front, this is a lot easier to say because right now they're not, but I think it's almost better to risk it going into that group blind and trying to shoot there for two reasons.
01:15:20
One, if you get someone, the rest of the people might look at each other and everyone's looking at that group moving forward and no traitors are found there.
01:15:27
That's good.
01:15:28
Two, if you hit the shield and they're like, all right, well, we know it wasn't us.
01:15:33
They have to look at two groups to figure out who it is and that might take them longer to figure out.
01:15:38
And then also, if y'all are trying to get each other out, it's kind of easy to just shove one of you.
01:15:42
If they're looking at the two groups, like, okay, well, Rob did it probably, right?
01:15:45
It's Rob is that big thinker.
01:15:47
Okay.
01:15:48
So do you think that Derek is going to be the target?
01:15:54
If you're Rob, I don't see how you don't throw Derek's name out here.
01:15:59
You know what I mean?
01:16:00
Don't see how he's so clearly going after people who are saying his name.
01:16:03
I don't think he doesn't go for Derek here, but truly don't.
01:16:08
And can Rob spin it like they're trying to set me up, bro?
01:16:12
I think he could pull it off.
01:16:15
I think he did.
01:16:16
Yeah.
01:16:17
Derek called that shot to Dylan and said, watch, watch, I'm going to get murdered and tomorrow he's going to say they're framing me.
01:16:23
So he goes for Derek.
01:16:25
That's what he's getting.
01:16:26
That's too loud because then you sort of like, get invite that to happen.
01:16:30
Humanity because it's like, see, they just did it because he said he was going to do it.
01:16:35
In that group, Rob, I'm looking at the groups right now.
01:16:37
So in the Derek group, it's Dolores, Krishel, Brittany, Samasgari and Derek.
01:16:45
Now here's the, here's the fun part.
01:16:47
There's every bit of chance.
01:16:48
Krishel has already told Rob, she has the shield, like that relationship's close enough that maybe, maybe she's put it out there to Rob.
01:16:56
Maybe that's possible.
01:16:58
So if Rob has that intel, he might use it or he might not use it to hide for himself.
01:17:03
Any danger for Rob, though, if both the cage boys go out, that people would be like looking at him, like very suspicious, I 100% think so.
01:17:12
I think I have the votes to get him.
01:17:14
Right.
01:17:15
That's the other question.
01:17:16
If I'm, I mean, Loki, if I was Rob, I wouldn't want the cage boys gone today anyway.
01:17:21
But he pushed that.
01:17:22
He pushed that to get it out.
01:17:24
But I think he's almost like, I think Rob has called his game.
01:17:27
He flies close to the sun.
01:17:28
It's a wild ride, but it's how he knows to play.
01:17:31
And if you say his name, you're done.
01:17:32
So who said his name louder than Derek?
01:17:36
Nobody.
01:17:37
And on the same side of the coin, Danielle voted for him, but he can't murder him.
01:17:40
He has to banish her.
01:17:41
Right.
01:17:42
I think that, you know, the Boston Rob game is like, don't overthink it.
01:17:45
If you're not with me, you're against me, Derek is against him.
01:17:48
He's as good as dead.
01:17:49
I just do wonder, maybe, is there some wiggle room of like, you know, has Derek lost credibility where does it matter if Derek is still saying Rob's name?
01:18:04
Like there's almost clear Boston Rob to the point where like Pilot Pete last season, I feel like, you know, at some point, you know, that people were like,
01:18:14
I don't know.
01:18:16
I think the question becomes how, where does Derek land now that he doesn't have West?
01:18:21
Is he going to, I told you so the rest of the group or is he going to be like, okay, I understand what we got right or West, I get it.
01:18:28
But listen, I feel like this, I think he, he doesn't want to be the one to say it out loud Rob, which makes me think that if he's not going to do that, then I don't think he can get Rob out at this point.
01:18:39
And he needs to push harder, but I think he's stories not done Rob.
01:18:42
I don't think, he might be circling the drain now.
01:18:45
If he's going to start to accuse Brittany, I think Brittany is well liked in the house.
01:18:50
And I think if he's going to start floating Brittany's name to people also to Dylan and Dylan starts telling people that, okay, Derek is saying Brittany's name.
01:18:58
I think that they might say, okay, look, maybe it's Derek.
01:19:01
Maybe we can ask Derek things.
01:19:03
Yeah.
01:19:04
And I don't think Brittany's had suspicion on her, which means that again, this is similar to Danielle saying Carolyn's name and everyone being like, what are you doing?
01:19:14
I don't think that's a good name to put out there.
01:19:16
And why are you pissing more people off?
01:19:18
Like focus on the one you've pissed off already, you know?
01:19:20
So if I think there's a world where you should keep Derek and I don't think murdering him is the move.
01:19:25
Because also, even if you, like, once you murder Derek, it's like, you know what?
01:19:30
Even if Rob is a faithful, I think we can move past the damn cage boys by just wiping them all out and getting rid of Rob anyway.
01:19:36
Yeah.
01:19:37
You know what I mean?
01:19:38
Like, I think once you're like, that theory can be closed shut.
01:19:40
We can focus on new information.
01:19:42
That's the direction you could go.
01:19:43
Okay.
01:19:44
You know, I thought this was a little bit of a bounce back episode for Danielle.
01:19:49
I think so.
01:19:50
I think obviously it's not.
01:19:51
She's good.
01:19:52
I have the storm of Carolyn coming for her, well, or it's begun or it's the beginning.
01:19:58
Yeah.
01:19:59
I mean, it could be the beginning.
01:20:00
I guess the beginning of the end.
01:20:01
But I think that overall in terms of like, okay, Carolyn is coming for Danielle.
01:20:05
But I mean, Carolyn tried to ultimately get Danielle out.
01:20:10
We assume it wasn't just like, you know, a show.
01:20:14
It didn't work.
01:20:15
I think it bought Carolyn some safety.
01:20:17
But I also, it didn't seem to really move the needle in terms of people going after Danielle.
01:20:23
So I'm starting to feel like that Danielle might be safe for a little bit.
01:20:25
I think that clearly Rob is in the most trouble of the three trainers.
01:20:29
I think of the three.
01:20:30
It's still Rob first because that was the earlier theory put out there.
01:20:34
I think Danielle's time could be an is coming because I think this, these are some of the takeaways I have for Danielle now.
01:20:41
Yes, she didn't get taken out.
01:20:44
And yes, you know, Carolyn's the loudest one going after her.
01:20:48
We've seen someone like Dylan who's being shown to be a good player, say that she's playing a bad game, but she's not suspect.
01:20:54
But I think there's something to be said about that back to the influence, Rob, in that despite having what we thought were good connections, how many people ratted out Danielle to Carolyn?
01:21:06
I think that's a huge tell of someone that doesn't have that much favor because why are people telling that to Carolyn if they're not potentially closer to Carolyn or feeling more comfortable with Carolyn?
01:21:16
So I think that's something to keep in mind.
01:21:18
And I also think the reason I'm saying it might be the beginning of the storm is that if Rob and Carolyn truly band together now to push the Danielle agenda,
01:21:28
there is a word for Rob.
01:21:30
That's the one thing.
01:21:31
That's the one thing I can see.
01:21:32
That's the one thing I can see.
01:21:33
And then step on this episode, especially if Rob's pushing Danielle and then goes out anyway, they're going to be like, Hey, let's follow that same threat.
01:21:42
A traitor was the last person to rob goes to Carolyn's like, Hey, Carolyn, I think I got an offer that you can't refuse.
01:21:50
We take out Danielle.
01:21:51
She's like, Oh, my God.
01:21:53
Yeah.
01:21:54
She'll be going, she'll love Boston Rob.
01:21:57
Oh, for sure.
01:21:59
That'll be a fun duo to see who they would recruit potentially.
01:22:03
Yeah.
01:22:04
I mean, that's the one Rob could fix this with Carolyn by offering up Danielle.
01:22:08
Yeah.
01:22:09
Oh, for sure.
01:22:10
Do I still think that he, again, I started this episode to this podcast saying he can't keep getting away with this.
01:22:15
If he gets away with it again, and somehow Danielle leaves before him, like he's been on borrow time, Rob from the minute Bob the drag queen went out and the longer he stays is a treat for him and for us.
01:22:27
But I still know these winning, but holy crap, like how far could this go?
01:22:31
Okay.
01:22:32
Anything else from tonight?
01:22:34
This was so much fun.
01:22:35
I cannot wait to see what it brings very far.
01:22:39
Listen, we've been fired up.
01:22:40
It's been a good time.
01:22:41
Yeah.
01:22:42
And I'm excited to see what the lovely listeners submit for questions, your feedback, your comments in the YouTube section.
01:22:48
Please submit all the feedback you can because we're going to have a fun time with Franny dissecting this episode.
01:22:53
We're going to do it on Monday.
01:22:54
We were live last week.
01:22:55
We may do that again.
01:22:57
Rob has website a complex traders feedback for that.
01:23:00
Our podcast with Franny who played with Carolyn in survivor 44, all that plus any exit interviews we do.
01:23:08
That's going to be in our we know traders.com podcast feed or search for we know traders wherever you listen to podcasts.
01:23:15
Then pot friends I told you about Carolyn sat down with Matt Scott.
01:23:20
You can listen to all of pot friends, everything including the interview with Mr.
01:23:24
Traders himself.
01:23:25
Who is Amber Keely, you can hear that at be a pot friend dot com survivor 48 is here.
01:23:34
Maybe one of these survivor 48 contestants one day will be on the traders.
01:23:39
I think Carolyn's open the door wide open for the new era.
01:23:43
And I can't wait to meet these 48ers and see who I would put in my top ballot for traders.
01:23:48
Yeah.
01:23:49
So you can hear all of Mike Bloom's interviews.
01:23:52
We're dropping them to a day.
01:23:53
You can start to see them starting today.
01:23:56
Go to we know survivor dot com, Dylan Odea Island, a great episode of Don D this week.
01:24:05
By the way, you can watch Boston Rob on the Don D after show that they post on YouTube.
01:24:10
And look at it.
01:24:11
It's also on peacock.
01:24:12
Same place.
01:24:13
You watch the traders were Boston Rob interviews the contestants who get kicked off of Don D.
01:24:18
So there's a lot of Boston Rob overlap here in Don D.
01:24:22
And you can hear our latest recap of Dylan Odea Island it.
01:24:27
We know Don D dot com.
01:24:30
And over in the Puyah and Leon allowance, okay.
01:24:34
Check this out.
01:24:36
We had a very fun episode.
01:24:39
The reaction speak for themselves if you're watching the video here, but no, we talked about a lot of different stories this week, some some sports stuff from back in the day.
01:24:49
And then we got into some wild debates.
01:24:51
So just check it out.
01:24:52
Let me know what you think for this upcoming episode.
01:24:54
When's the next pal drop?
01:24:57
That will drop on Friday, looking to drop probably around six or seven PM on the RHAP YouTube channel.
01:25:04
If you're looking for the video, and as always, Puyah and Leon dot com to subscribe to the appropriate audio feed for the audio version to drop.
01:25:10
Okay.
01:25:11
And then on the social game podcast, here's one of the old traders.
01:25:15
It's Parvity and instead of being in the turret with Dan, the here she is with Michelle and Kelly on the social game.
01:25:27
It was a great podcast.
01:25:29
It's called Parvity shallow in the bedroom and they got the chance to talk with Parvity.
01:25:34
They talk some traders.
01:25:35
They talk Don D they talk survivor.
01:25:37
They talk about who smells bad.
01:25:40
You've got to hear it all in the social game, you can hear that at the social game pod dot com or watch it on our YouTube channel, episode three of the social game pod with Parvity.
01:25:52
And then on Friday, I'll be taking questions from the patrons once again, one of the many perks we have for our patrons of our H a P L.
01:26:00
We doing that live on Friday.
01:26:02
You can see all that and more at Rob has website dot com slash patron.
01:26:07
All right.
01:26:08
Puyah.
01:26:09
So this is kind of for you.
01:26:11
Well, I also have the 90 day fiance pod guest, the hot mess express weights for nobody.
01:26:17
I just talked about the last couple episodes of the tell all.
01:26:21
There's still one more tell all episode to go Rob.
01:26:23
For some reason, every episode of 90 day has been an hour and a half without commercials for the last like two years.
01:26:29
But they made part three of the tell off 40 minutes and then part four is 40 minutes.
01:26:34
They just split one episode into the drag it along, but I will maintain still the best all we've seen in years to check that out over on the 90 if you answer a half up feed.
01:26:44
And aside from that, I think that is everything.
01:26:47
If you've not checked out our traders, UK coverage myself in Annabelle, talked about the finale this past week.
01:26:53
They had a brand new twist that we hadn't seen before.
01:26:56
We talked about that, how the ending went.
01:26:58
We debated some stuff.
01:26:59
So make sure you check that out.
01:27:00
And if you listen, if episode six of traders, US has done anything, I know it's made you hanker for more traders.
01:27:06
And if you've not watched traders, UK, give yourself a treat.
01:27:09
You deserve it.
01:27:10
Watch it.
01:27:11
Watch it.
01:27:12
It's a good time.
01:27:13
All right.
01:27:14
Well, thank you so much for joining us.
01:27:15
We love to see your comments here on YouTube.
01:27:17
And so so much fun on Friday morning to read what everybody had to say about the podcast.
01:27:22
So keep them coming, sending your feedback.
01:27:25
And thank you so much for joining us once again.
01:27:27
Take care everybody.
01:27:28
Have a good one.
01:27:29
Bye.
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