Chief and Dr Lugo discuss the nature of happiness and gratitude, with Dr Lugo sharing his perspective on how different levels of happiness can be appreciated through life's experiences. They explore how external factors don't necessarily lead to happiness, and that fulfillment often comes from sharing stories of goodness. Chief encourages Dr Lugo to reflect on their recent discussion about being mosaic thinkers rather than puzzle thinkers as leaders and considering that experience, achieved effectively and intentionally,  can better be described as development.