On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: PSL (not the drink).

Claudia de la Cruz cannot, mathematically, win the presidency. But she’s running anyway… because the two-party system doesn’t lend itself to real representation or the public interest.

Claudia joins us to make the case for voting socialist, because the parties with all the power aren’t as different as they want you to think.

We’ll also share an important update about the future of Hear Me Out at the end of the episode. After that, please feel free to email the show: hearmeout@slate.com

Podcast production by Maura Currie.

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