Jeremy Wagstaff writes: In this episode I speak to Joyce, a Taiwanese friend who was also for many years a journalist colleague at Reuters. Joyce is a straight shooter like any good journalist, but she has a soft spot for her homeland, and so it wasn't a surprise that she was proud of how her government had confronted COVID-19, despite of, or perhaps because of, it not being a member of the World Health Organisation. After a few months in Hong Kong Joyce was now back in Taipei, and wasn't as optimistic as those around her.

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