In this episode, Founder and CEO of LAGO Collective Marta Foresti speaks to Natsai Audrey Chieza,  a visionary designer and thought leader, celebrated for her pioneering contributions to design and biotechnology. They talk about mycelium, design and how ecological systems help us rethink borders. It’s not just about nature, it’s about systems, power and who gets to imagine the future. If you're interested in how borders, between nature and technology, between systems and imagination shape our ecological futures...this one's for you.