
Trump’s Federal Funding Freeze
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A sudden order from the Trump administration threatens to cripple funding for organizations nationwide. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. will appear for his Senate confirmation hearing today. And Kansas is witnessing one of the biggest tuberculosis outbreaks in modern American history.
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It's Wednesday, January 29th.
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What if the lifeblood of American nonprofits just suddenly stopped flowing?
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We start here.
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The Trump administration orders agencies to stop distributing federal $8.
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So I immediately went to check online and our funds were frozen.
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We had no access.
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A judge has already halted this, but the panic doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
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RFK Jr.
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gets his shot, Bobby prays on the desperation of parents of sick children.
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Will his vaccine skepticism cause adverse reactions from senators?
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And we haven't offered these vaccines in years because we thought we didn't have to.
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That's why tuberculosis often stalks underserved communities.
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Now a tuberculosis outbreak is causing concern in Kansas.
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From ABC News, this is Start Here.
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I'm Brad Milky.
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It's crazy, craziness is like got this email at seven in the morning.
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I'm like, what is going on?
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This is Luis Aranas.
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He lives in the Leihau, California in the Bay area.
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And he works at a nonprofit called the Unity Council.
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Specifically, he makes sure local families have support through programs like Head Start.
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Head Start is a federally 100% federally funded program that provides early childcare programs for pregnant mothers and children, zero to five.
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It's a super popular program, especially since you've got so many low income families that desperately need childcare.
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Well, yesterday morning, he awoke to startling news.
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I woke up early and like I normally do and I usually just check the news for whatever.
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But I got a text from my boss and he's like, did you see this?
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We're going to go to Washington now with a truck administration.
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And now it's a sweeping freeze on all federal grants.
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There is a lot of confusion this morning about what exactly this directive means.
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The OMB, the Office of Management and Budget, had just put out a memo to federal agencies telling them to temporarily freeze government aid programs like all of them.
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I got all bunch of emails from other Head Start programs saying, this has all happened in the course of like 15 minutes saying, our funds are frozen, our funds are frozen.
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So I immediately went to check online and our funds were frozen.
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We had no access.
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Luis tells me, look, we got payroll later this week.
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If our portal that gives us our federal funds isn't available, we can't pay employees.
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If we can't pay employees, we need to tell families not to come.
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And if they can't come, some of them are going to start losing their jobs.
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What am I supposed to do here?
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Over the next couple of hours, this panic spread through organizations across the country, nonprofits, loan programs, anything that gets federal dollars.
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We're close to the end of the month.
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So offices needed to know if they could even pay rent.
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And as they frantically called their elected leaders, many were told, no, don't worry.
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OMB didn't mean you.
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Your program will still be funded.
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Luis was left wondering for hours.
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We looked about half an hour ago and it was still frozen.
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And right before I got on this call, I heard from our accounting team that it's finally, finally, we have access to them now.
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Other programs were still in limbo and the thing is Luis follows the news.
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He knew that President Trump campaigned on making cuts within the federal government.
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He knew that Trump doesn't buy into the idea that big government institutions have a responsibility to provide people with health services or research funding or artistic grants.
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But his program, he says, was funded through Congress.
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It helps families go to work and contribute to society.
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It's not even a red or a blue thing.
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So why do this?
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I understand the whole idea of trying to cut costs, whatever.
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But instead of taking a scalpel, they just took a chainsaw and didn't know what they were doing.
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Didn't know what the side effects were going to be.
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What we saw yesterday was a dramatic reenvisioning of what the Trump White House can control.
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It raised economic questions, philosophical questions, legal questions.
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In fact, right after Luis hung up the phone with us, a federal judge put a block on all these funding freezes.
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Let's start the day with ABC's White House correspondent Mary Alice Parks, who is at the West Wing.
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Mary Alice, can you just walk us through the order itself?
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What did it actually say?
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The order that came down was so sweeping, Brad, that I think that's what created a panic confusion.
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And huge ripple effects across the country.
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I mean, the order said federal agencies must temporarily pause all activity related to obligations or disbursement of all federal financial assistance and other relevant agency activities that might be implicated in the executive orders.
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What non-profit partners and NGOs and even some local governments didn't understand was, can they do their work until they are told that their program is under review,
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or is all works supposed to stop until they are told your program is okay?
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Hospital, small businesses, families, firefighters, police officers.
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We heard members of Congress telling us that they were getting calls from parents.
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When you were talking about Head Start parents, not sure if they could send their kids to Head Start programs in the morning.
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I am hearing from health directors, veterans organizations, addiction treatment programs that they can't meet their payrolls.
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They can't do their budgets.
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Organizations that are working on disaster relief and FEMA assistance unable to, during points of the day, we were hearing stories pulled down FEMA disaster relief funds.
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We are hearing from Medicaid offices all across the country that they are right now locked out.
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At one point, the Medicaid portal was down.
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Medicaid is a health insurance program that covers tens of millions of the poorest and most vulnerable Americans in this country.
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They are basic health insurance programs.
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I mean, the list goes on, housing assistance, veterans affairs.
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Suddenly, we now don't know how we'll meet meals on wheels, feed seniors who depend on them.
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It was so sweeping and everything was frozen and on pause as organizations and local governments tried to figure out what to do and how to move forward.
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And then over the course of the day, the White House tried to clarify, but they were basically playing clean up.
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The American people gave President Trump an overwhelming mandate on November 5th.
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And he's just trying to ensure that the tax money going out the door in this very bankrupt city actually aligns with the will and the priorities of the American people.
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They put out some additional guidance saying that that basic direct services like Social Security payments and Medicare and food assistance that that wouldn't be impacted.
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But then they had to put out additional guidance saying and housing assistance people who are receiving individual assistance, you will continue to receive that.
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And President Trump is looking out for you by issuing this pause because he is being good steward of your taxpayer dollars.
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Caroline Levitt, the new White House press secretary debuted her first press briefing in the press briefing room.
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And she was getting asked some of these just really fact-based, you know, yes, there are no questions.
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And she was struggling to provide clear answers.
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Are you guaranteeing here that no individual now on Medicaid would see a cut off because of a pause?
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I'll check back on that and get back to you.
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So I think that how sweeping and it's sort of in turn, it seems how clumsy this initial order is written was what created so much panic and a certain Indian and real impacts for people yesterday.
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It's almost hard to conceive of just how many things in our modern lives are funded in some way, directly or indirectly through the federal government.
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And the question that obviously came up yesterday was, is it legal, Mary Alice?
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Now we saw the judge put a temporary restraining order on this from taking effect.
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I think it's February 3rd is now when it's on pause until, but that's not an actual ruling.
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Like, people are going to have to wrestle with the question of, is this actually legal at all?
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What are the questions that are going to be at issue there?
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There's a few.
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First that the judge in DC basically called time out and said this was done so in such a messy way that we have to have a pause as you figure out and tell people what's okay and what's not okay.
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Basically, the judge said you guys have to provide so much more clarity.
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This is way too big to go forward right now.
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So the order versus take effect at 5 p.m.
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Right before then, this judge said time out, but there's actually already been a number of lawsuits.
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It violates the administrative procedures acted, not to mention that it's arbitrary and capricious.
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Some of those lawsuits basically deal with whether the Trump White House followed federal law and federal regulations that require when they're making big changes to federal funding that they provide proper notice.
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They decided to be vague and to use buzzwords like wokeism and green new deal social engineering.
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Other lawsuits that we're starting to see from state attorneys general like in New York and Massachusetts, elsewhere.
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They're saying this is just blatantly unconstitutional because these were aggressionally approved funds.
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When Congress dedicates funding for a program, the president cannot pull that funding on a whim.
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The White House pushed back pretty strong and they do believe that there are mechanisms for the president to withhold funding if it goes against other executive orders.
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The OMB memo states this is certainly within the confines of the law.
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So White House counsel's office believes that this is within the president's power to do it and therefore he's doing it.
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That's actually kind of a more intellectual legal argument that I think that this Trump team is actually kind of eager to have.
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They want to consolidate power in the executive and take on even congressionally mandated funding.
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Well, and at the end of the day, Mary Alice, even if this was put on hold, even if this was all seen as like a debacle, the messaging from the president seems pretty clear.
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This idea that we're going to cut down wasteful government spending.
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These programs have to prove they're worth keeping not the other way around.
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I guess I'm wondering is that message going to resonate with the American people?
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And if it does, has all this chaos already had its desired effect?
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I don't know.
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I think that when it comes to some of the executive orders that Trump signed, you know, he said he wanted to get rid of all DEI programs across the federal government or once and he thinks go go too far to support renewable energy or clean energy programs.
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You know, I think that there's clearly, he feels like he has voters with him when he tries to line out amount programs like that.
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On the other hand, this question of whether programs should have to prove that they are worth it.
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Remember, there's a disparity here.
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We're actually red states get significantly more federal funding than blue states by and large.
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The amount of assistance that goes to somewhere like Mississippi or Alabama or disaster aid that has gone to places like Louisiana and Texas.
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Americans all across the board rely on so many different kinds of federal programs that I'm not sure that all these moves are going to be well received.
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And one of the things we've already heard from organizations is we don't know the extent to which we can speak out against this because we don't know how much retribution will play a role in all this like just by virtue of saying we think this is wrong.
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Is that going to get your organization targeted by this executive branch?
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That's one other facet and all this Mary Alice Parks at the West Wing on a tumultuous day.
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Thank you so much.
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Thanks for having me, Brian.
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When Pete Hegseth, the veteran who had never led an organization more than a few dozen people,
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was confirmed to lead the US military, a secretary of defense, it became obvious that Republicans in Congress are going to be on board with the vast majority of President Trump's nominees.
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However, today marks the start of some hearings that could be even more contentious.
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RFK Jr.
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is about to face his confirmation hearing to become Health and Human Services Secretary, an ABC's and Flaherty who covers federal agencies is here for a preview, and it's hard to overstate,
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I guess, how important this agency is for public health, right?
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Because it encompasses like the scientists that study diseases, but also like the doctors and the bureaucrats that are in charge of your Medicare and your Medicaid, right?
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So it's everything, and then it's also difficult to overstate how much of an outlier RFK Jr.
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is from the medical establishment, especially when it comes to, say, vaccines.
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What should we expect here from lawmakers, especially those who are old enough to remember the days of polio and stuff?
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Yeah, you know, there were a lot of people early on after he had been nominated who said, "Look, you're going to have Democrats who really side with him on his environmental track record."
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And they have questions about the food supply.
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Kennedy has said he wants to work with the Agriculture Department on this to get rid of ultra-processed foods.
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But, you know, I think at the end of the day what we saw is Senator Sanders, for example, he held a roundtable with vaccine experts and asked them, "What do you think is going to happen if somebody like RFK takes over?"
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And the vaccine expert said, "We think there'll be a measles outbreak.
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We've seen that before in the past when he's so decepticism tied to the measles vaccine.
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We think it will happen in the United States at a very large level."
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So, they really sounded the alarms on that.
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His views on vaccine are very wrong in so many ways.
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So, I think what he's saying about the food industry makes sense to me.
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A lot of other things that he's saying are extremely dangerous.
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The big question are Republicans.
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And I think their issues are, what is his stance on abortion?
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I think he's got to clarify that because he's a Democrat.
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He's sort of flipped on that in the past.
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But I think the other question, obviously on vaccines, that's a huge one.
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They're also going to have questions about what does he want to do related to food and farming.
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You know, a lot of people have interests within their states that they're very nervous about what he might actually try to do.
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So, I think out of all of these nominees for Trump, RFK is the one who's going to get the most sharply questioned by Republicans.
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How is he going to present himself?
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How is he going to walk this line?
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So, I think what we've seen him say in the public in the past is, look, I'm not anti-vaccine.
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I just have questions I want to get to the truth.
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Let's do the trials.
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Let's find out what the risk profile is, what the benefit profile is.
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And then allow parents to make up their minds about why they want to use vaccines for their children.
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Now, what we do know on vaccines is it's also how he makes money.
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Sewing doubt about a lot of the drugs and vaccines that Big Pharma makes is actually how he makes a living.
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What do you mean?
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How do you make a living off of that?
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Well, he released his financial disclosure documents last week and we did see that he made close to $9 million from his own law firm.
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But he was also getting these referral fees from other law firms and what he was doing was finding plaintiffs and referring them to those law firms.
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Now, one of those law firms is actually suing Merck.
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Merck is the maker of the Gardasil vaccine.
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Gardasil protects against the HPV virus, which is believed to cause cervical cancer.
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Now, CDC says it's safe.
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They've done more than 160 studies on this.
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Public health has lined up behind this vaccine and said they are not seeing safety concerns with it.
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Kennedy has said, we don't believe that.
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We think that Merck has lied within its marketing material and he did something we actually haven't seen before.
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He worked with other lawyers and he brought a civil case on marketing fraud.
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And right now, according to his financial disclosure documents, he's in line to receive many of those referral fees.
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And I did speak with lawyers who said, referral fees are not unusual.
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This is how a lot of law firms work.
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They refer plaintiffs to each other and then you pay for it.
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And what lawyer told me like, look, we're not going to work for free, but we do believe in what we do.
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And I think that if Kennedy were here, that's what he would say.
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He believes very strongly in his purpose.
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He sees himself as kind of a, you know, modern-day earned Brockovich who wants to defend families.
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The question though is, if you become health secretary, can you make it easier to sue vaccine makers?
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Can you make it easier to block vaccine approvals?
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And then once he leaves that office, can he profit from that with these lawsuits?
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I think that's going to be a central question today.
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Right.
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And can you make money off of these anti-vax cases when now you're the one who's in charge in some ways of vaccine policy?
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Can I ask you another thing?
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And so Kennedy's own family member, his cousin who's also a former ambassador under both President Biden and President Obama, she basically came out publicly against RFK Jr.
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warning senators, you don't want to put this guy in charge.
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I mean, what is the deal here?
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So this was an absolutely scathing letter that was released by Caroline Kennedy, of course, Caroline being the daughter of the famous president, John F.
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Kennedy.
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She is Robert F.
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Kennedy Jr.'s cousin, overseeing the FDA, the NIH, the CDC, and centers for Medicare and Medicaid services.
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Agencies that are charged with protecting the most vulnerable among us is an enormous responsibility and one that Bobby is unqualified to fill.
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She said that she has known him since she was a child and that he has always been attention-seeking.
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He struggled with addiction.
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He brought other family members down that path with him.
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She called him a predator.
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Bobby prays on the desperation of parents of sick children vaccinating his own kids while building a following hypocritically discouraging other parents from vaccinating theirs.
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She describes in this really grotesque, disturbing anecdote that in his dorm room he had taken baby chicks and mice and put them in a blender to feed to his hawks.
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And she said, you know, this is not somebody who should be in charge of US health policy.
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This is somebody who seeks attention at all levels.
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Doctors and nurses, researchers, scientists and caregivers are the most dedicated people I know.
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They deserve a secretary committed to advancing cutting edge medicine to save lives, not to rejecting the advances we have already made.
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They deserve better than Bobby Kennedy and so do the rest of us.
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I did reach out to RFK's spokesperson.
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They did not respond.
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So, you know, we don't have his response to this.
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What we're hearing from sources is that he is very focused on his testimony today.
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He is not going to get sidelined with anything.
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He wants to be able to deliver the message that he is just simply there for answers.
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He will serve the public and he will serve President Trump.
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Really bizarre.
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I mean, so many things about RFK Junior's story come across as bizarre, but yeah, some bizarre allegations there.
00:21:05
All right.
00:21:06
Anne Flerty, thank you so much.
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Thank you.
00:21:08
Now, what's important about vaccines is they don't just offer individual protection.
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If enough people take a vaccine, it offers herd immunity to those who either haven't received it or for whom it's not effective.
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That is how you can really knock diseases out.
00:21:25
Well, today, as RFK Junior takes his seat, he will be sitting across from Republican Senator Roger Marshall from Kansas, whose state is currently home to a tuberculosis outbreak.
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Some people think TB is an ancient disease that we don't have anymore.
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In other countries, tuberculosis kills people.
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In fact, yesterday, health officials said this had become one of the largest outbreaks of this disease recorded in modern American history.
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Sony Salisman is with ABC's Medical Unit.
00:21:52
Sony, I mean, how serious is this?
00:21:54
Yeah, Brad, this is a really big deal.
00:21:57
So, as you said, one of the largest tuberculosis outbreaks, what we're seeing in Kansas is 67 active cases of tuberculosis and two people have died.
00:22:07
So, just to set the scene here, tuberculosis is a disease that many Americans might think of as kind of a ye oldie disease.
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It was in little on Rouge and many of these, you know, period pieces, but this is actually an infection that still lingers at low levels in the U.S.
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today.
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It is a much bigger deal in other parts of the world, but still we're seeing these low levels in the U.S.
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and periodic outbreaks.
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And in fact, worryingly, we've seen these levels increase in 2021, 2022, and 2023.
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And now you're seeing this outbreak in Kansas.
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Yeah, how does the disease usually work?
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And do we vaccinate against the Sony?
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I think we used to, right?
00:22:46
So, tuberculosis is a bacterial infection that gets into the lungs.
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People have respiratory problems.
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They have difficulty breathing.
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The disease can linger in the air.
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And there actually is a vaccine.
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We just don't use it here in the U.S.
00:23:02
Because there's not enough tuberculosis to merit the vaccine.
00:23:06
And in fact, if you've ever seen anyone who is living in a place where tuberculosis is more widespread, you might see the telltale signs of that vaccine.
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It's often a scar on people's arms.
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And there are also treatments available.
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So, as I mentioned, tuberculosis is a bacterial infection.
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You can treat it with antibiotics.
00:23:25
So, we have medicine to treat this.
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The problem happens when it's untreated.
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And that's why tuberculosis often stalks, underserved communities, sometimes prisons, sometimes homeless shelters.
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So, those sorts of places.
00:23:38
Now, 67 doesn't sound like the most cases.
00:23:40
And like, how concerning is 67 cases?
00:23:44
Well, we've seen cases in the past, you know, in the hundreds or around the 100 mark in recent years.
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But 67 is still a lot.
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And these are people with active tuberculosis.
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There's also people with latent tuberculosis.
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This means that people who are living with tuberculosis in their system, but it's repressed.
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They're not actively contagious, but still concerned because, you know, if unmonitored, that could blossom into active tuberculosis.
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So, I guess 67 and counting.
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This is a situation that health officials are going to be continuing to monitor.
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And those two deaths are obviously very concerning.
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I think something that this situation highlights and a point of concern that's been raised by some public health officials is that the CDC, as well as the broader HHS,
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Department of Health and Human Services, is under a communications freeze because of the administration change, until at least February 1st.
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So, that raises a lot of questions and uncertainty about timely reporting of these cases and how this information is going to be distributed, so that you can have an open information ecosystem,
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which people say is important during outbreak situations exactly like this.
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And meanwhile, the CDC has four people on the ground there in Kansas, just trying to keep this in check.
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Again, not a virus, a bacteria, but a very, very contagious bacterial disease, a Sony Salisman with our medical unit.
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00:25:06
Thank you, Brad.
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Okay, one more quick break.
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It was not just Notre-Dame was burning, it was like, if hope was burning.
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Well, the situation at the Louvre then might have them feeling like they just got smacked in the face with a glove.
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Yesterday in Paris, French President Immanuel Macron announced the country's most famous museum has got to undergo an overhaul.
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There will be a new larger entrance for the public.
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Instead of the famed glass pyramid that critics have said is too hot in the summer to colden the winter and loud all the time.
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The current museum director recently sparked national embarrassment when her private memo to the country's culture minister went public.
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In this memo, she complained about water leaks and temperature variations at the Louvre that could damage artwork and eventually make the landmark obsolete in the art world.
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The other major factor here is the Louvre's most famous resident.
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If you didn't think the Mona Lisa could get any more popular, well, the last few years have proved you wrong.
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Lines have actually grown as tourist weight, not just to glimpse the 30-inch tall painting, but to take selfies with it.
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The crowds even make it tough to pass by it to a different room, even if you don't want to see her.
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Well, under this plan, the Mona Lisa will be in her own room, offset from the rest of the collection, and will require a separate ticket to see.
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Macron says this will make everything more organized, skeptics say it's a way to charge art fans twice.
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But some question whether the Mona Lisa should even hang in France at all.
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This weekend, Italian officials citing that scandalous memo about sub-park conditions suggested she be handed over to Italy.
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After all, Italy's were Leonardo da Vincius from, one culture bureaucrat from Lombardi, posted on social media, quote, "We are ready to welcome her."
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But it's not a given that the Mona Lisa is exclusively an Italian work.
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Da Vincius widely thought to have started it in Florence, but at some point he moved to France, and something he finished the painting there.
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Either way, it transferred to the possession of France's King Francis after Da Vinci's death, and if you asked the French whether they would ever consider handing it over, they're not smiling.
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This seems less like Italy being like, "Oh no, we lost our precious art all these years ago.
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Like, sorry, you've still got plenty, Italy."
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But it does feel like really good trolling between rivals, like Art Snob is going, "God, you guys can't even control your humidity in your exhibits.
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amateur hour."
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