In this episode, we explore the fascinating yet controversial realms of telepathy, remote viewing, and other supernatural claims. We take a look at the Stargate Project, a secretive U.S. government experiment aimed at investigating paranormal phenomena during the Cold War. We discuss key figures involved, including advocates who believed in abilities like phasing through walls and remote viewing secret installations. We delve into the credibility of these projects, touching upon elements such as the involvement of high-ranking Scientologists and various debunked claims. Additionally, we analyze the telepathy tapes, mind reading claims, and the influence of mysticism on modern thought.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00 ] he was a key sponsor and advocate for the Stargate Project, he believed soldiers could phase through solid objects by harnessing natural power and positive thinking. Okay, I'm picturing so many people just running into walls hold. He reportedly attempted this himself in his office, repeatedly running into a wall and injuring his nose.

Oh yeah. 'cause you gotta believe it. So you gotta lead with your face. Positive thinking. I just can't let it get me down. But it's just I bet if I have positive enough thoughts, I'm gonna phase through a wall. Like, where's the metaphysics of that? What religion believes this?

The telepathy tapes Simone is actually diagnosed autistic

Speaker 6: You can read minds.

Simone Collins: And people are having the same reaction.

Would you like to know more?

Hello Simone. I'm excited to be here today. Today we are gonna be talking about two things.

Malcolm Collins: The telepathy tapes [00:01:00 ] and the various government projects that claim to see the supernatural. Project Stargate

I'm going into both of these because these are two areas where I have seen otherwise rational people like Rudyard, for example, one of all his who's been on the show he has one like episode that like very earnestly looks at these government programs. Oh, and listen to that one on an airplane. Yes.

Speaker: Premier me. A solution of Annica Montana Stack. Strength. One point in a million are sure it looks serious. You're right. We need to strengthen the dose. One point in 10 million the chakras are fading. We need some crystals that there should be some purple T quartz. Damnit, you're right. Make that aquamarine quartz. .

Speaker 2: Have a look at this, Simon.

What is it? Don't think this poor chap's got long to live. Why not? It's lifeline very short.

Speaker: Unless. Wait, why we could try drawing a bit more lifeline on with Biro? It didn't ever work.

You got a better idea.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I'm just like, [00:02:00 ] oh. Boy you maybe should have dug a bit deeper on this before taking this at face value. Basically when we get to it, what you're gonna learn is like all of the high level people were also high level people in Scientology

Okay. To clarify here, only like half were in Scientology. The other were in other weird mystical traditions, but we'll get into those specifically when we get to it.

Malcolm Collins: and in Scientology

Simone Collins: specifically. Yeah. It was basically a Scientology into the US government.

Malcolm Collins: Um, It was, it was basically a, a a, a small branch of the US government that Scientologists extremists took over. And how do we get this? Made a bunch of reports. And the people like Rudyard then come across them and take them seriously. But it's the same as we go into the telepathy tapes, we're gonna go into, Why people believe them because you, the way they present them, it can seem plausible. And then we're gonna go over historical cases that were similar to this, like the case of clever. How do you know? Clever. Clever Hans? Maybe clever how the horse that could do math. [00:03:00 ] No, basically this exact same thing happened before, and it's funny because in the, in the telepathy tapes, they take the methods they're using on humans and they apply them to animals in one episode.

Oh no. And they're like, animals are telepathic too. It's like, oh my god. Literal, clever hosing it here. Well, you know what,

Simone Collins: this like, I can't help but think of this concept of people thinking that autistic people can, can read minds or are telepathic. Because of that one lander line where the female journalist is like, she confesses, she says, I.

Was bulimic. What? And lander's like you can read minds. And Hansel has this great like, and that's, I feel like I am autistic

Speaker 6: You can read minds.

Simone Collins: And people are having the same [00:04:00 ] reaction. You can read minds,

Malcolm Collins: oh my god. By the way, Simone is actually diagnosed autistic as are. I thought you were gonna say, I'm

Simone Collins: actually telepathic.

Malcolm Collins: Actually. Telepathic. Okay. So parents and caregivers report that their children can quote, unquote read thoughts such as guessing random numbers, words, or colors that someone else is thinking of, even when separated by rooms or distances. For instance, it experiments described children reportedly achieved 95% accuracy in guessing.

Three digit numbers or specific details. EG, parent's mental image without any verbal or visual cues. Dr. Powell, a former Harvard faculty member and Parapsychologists claims to have documented this in controlled settings suggests it's not random, but a form of mind to mind transition. And he goes on here to say that there's other gifts as well that these people have.

They can see auras. Colored energy fields around people and animals and plants that help diagnose things, speak or understand [00:05:00 ] multiple languages they've never learned. Play musical instruments per at a perfect pitch and recall a song instantly Predict future events and visit people in their dreams.

Perceive time. Now, I, I'd always note on the predicting future events, one, like whenever somebody's like X person can predict future events, I'm like, why aren't they rich? Why, why aren't they rich? If they can do this accurately, why aren't they rich? You know, they should be incredibly easy to play markets if you can predict future events.

And they're like, markets aren't personally meaningful to them. And I'm like, okay, put their life savings on a market. Now it's personally, now it's emotionally salient if they lose in the future.

Simone Collins: It'd be really cool though if like all the secret billionaires in the world just actually are. They can just see into the future.

They just keep their mouth shut. You know, like the way it's gonna be when someone like cracks quantum computing and they just start, you know, mining a bunch of Bitcoin, but they keep it quiet. They don't go too far. So no one notices. And then a bunch of people like act as though they can do this and they can't really, you know, all the financial, you'd actually be able to

Malcolm Collins: tell really quickly.[00:06:00 ]

Simone Collins: Well say that's, that's a, that's a relief.

Malcolm Collins: Enough people monitor the way billionaires invest, that if they were doing something like that, they'd immediately be flagged for insider trading. And I mean, they, they could develop an algorithm that prevented that from happening, but I don't think they'd get away with it for like, it, it would be more difficult.

Yeah. Just 'cause you

Simone Collins: can tell the future doesn't mean you're good with algorithms,

Malcolm Collins: but I, I'm talking about these people aren't even, like, their main income sources isn't even investing and at the very least it should be. Yeah. You know, perceived time non-linearly, eg. Foreseeing accidents weeks in advance or since energy flows in geometric patterns that align with concepts from quantum physics or ancient mysticism.

So how does he explain this? Dr. Powell proposes that autism isn't just a quote unquote disorder, but a neurodivergent state where the brain filters less information allowing access to a shared informational field or collective consciousness. She links this to brain structures like en large ventricles high.

Heightened midline activity or overactive [00:07:00 ] pineal gland, often called the third eye in spiritual traditions. And you see, this is why we shouldn't let women be doctors. This is a, this, this was a mistake here.

Speaker 8: Well he was riding his bike when there was a lightning strike And now he rigs real fast, he's good at science and math, black doctor I'm gonna go out on a limb here, where exactly did he get the bike? He stole it! Right, that's what I thought.

Malcolm Collins: No, but joking.

Some episodes suggest that this be an evolutionary trait with autistic individuals as tuned receivers for subtle energies and neurotypical people ignore. Due to reliance on language and logic, context and popularity.

It had gained traction through endorsements like Joe Rogan who discussed it on his show in 2024.

Simone Collins: No. And

Malcolm Collins: Russ Shart, a UFO journalist who interviewed OWL in 2025. Oh. So this is thank you Joe Rogan. I was actually just talking with a [00:08:00 ] reporter from Politico and she goes, well, you know, who could, like, who's a new right figure who could beat JD Vance in the next election cycle?

It's