Welcome to the first episode of our new collaborative series with the Association of Surgeons in Great Britain and Ireland! During this series, BTK fellow Jon Williams and ASGBI hosts Kellie Bateman and Jared Wohlgemut compare and contrast the surgeon profession between the United States and the United Kingdom, debating who does what better. In this episode, we take a deep dive into surgical training in the US and the UK, from fostering student interest to trainee operating to specialization and certification. Dr. Jeremy Lipman represents the US while Dr. Jon Lund represents the UK in this thought-provoking conversation.



Dr. Lipman is a colorectal surgeon at the Cleveland Clinic and the director of graduate medical education for all training programs at the Cleveland Clinic. Additionally, he is an Associate Dean for Graduate Medical Education and Professor of Surgery at Case Western Reserve University. After going to Boston College for his bachelor degree, he obtained his medical degree from Drexel University College of Medicine in Philadelphia. Subsequently he completed his general surgery residency training at Case Western and his colorectal surgery fellowship at Cleveland Clinic. After practicing at MetroHealth Medical Center where he served many training and education leadership roles, he returned to Cleveland Clinic as faculty where he remains today.



Dr. Lund is Professor and Head of the Department of Surgery at University of Nottingham at Derby, and Consultant Colorectal Surgeon at Royal Derby Hospital. He is Chair of the Joint Committee on Surgical Training, and before that was Surgical Director of the Intercollegiate Surgical Curriculum Programme, the online training management system used by all trainees and trainers in Surgery in the UK. He has recently been appointed as Dean of education at the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh.



So, who trains surgeons better? UK or US? Give the episode a listen and decide for yourself!



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