Carey sits down with Mike Chu to talk through the new Unseen Realm — Expanded Edition, how Heiser clarified his stance on creeds, why frame semantics and ancient contexts matter, and why a Christotelic reading (aimed at the eschaton) can keep Scripture’s big story intact. Along the way: pastoral cautions about celebrity culture, the value of scholarship and seminary, and a practical reframing of Imago Dei as being made as God’s image (not merely “in” it). Highlights include: Heiser’s “non-credal” (not anti-credal) posture, Genesis 6 in an exilic frame, and how holiness as “other” reshapes baptism, worship, and daily vocation.

• What’s actually new in Unseen Realm (Expanded Edition) and why it matters for teachers and small-group leaders
  
  


• Heiser on creeds: non-credal vs anti-credal, and using creeds as boundaries, not as an interpretive lens
  
  


• Christocentric vs Christotelic: aiming at the end goal of Christ (including the Spirit and the Eschaton)
  
  


• Reading Genesis 6 with an exilic Mesopotamian frame vs a Mosaic/Egyptian frame
  
  


• Imago Dei as vocation: “made as God’s image,” and why that lands pastorally
  
  


• The completion of AWKNG School of Theology's "Seminary on a Thumb Drive" initiative

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Chapters

• (00:00:00 ) - Welcoming Mike; DCW year ahead & community vibe
• (00:05:01 ) - Expanded Edition notes (preface timeline, Awakening)
• (00:06:46 ) - “Vibe shift”: hunger for scholarship & plain speech
• (00:08:34 ) - Pushback & avoiding Heiser-only celebrity culture
• (00:10:21 ) - Listening > labels; scholarly retrieval as discipleship
• (00:21:05 ) - Heiser and the Creeds: Non-credal, Not Anti-credal
• (00:25:21 ) - Christocentric vs Christotelic (aiming at the eschaton)
• (00:35:59 ) - Theological Messaging: God with Us
• (00:41:28 ) - Genesis 6: Exilic Mesopotamian Frame vs Mosaic/Egyptian
• (00:48:05 ) - The value of listening in scholarly study
• (00:53:24 ) - Imago Dei: “as” God’s image, not merely “in” (pastoral payoffs)
• (00:58:55 ) - Why we need teachers who do the dirty work
• (01:05:12 ) - Are seminaries cemetaries?
• (01:09:21 ) - The value of learning in cohorts
• (01:12:36 ) - Diversity, cohesion, and the need to find support
• (01:17:47 ) - Remind, Remind, Remind: Don't lose your identity
• (01:24:07 ) - Wrapping up thoughts on The Unseen Realm Expanded Edition
• (01:24:08 ) - AWKNG School of Theology: Seminary on a Thumb Drive