What happens when you actually follow your gut and reach out to people doing the work? This week, Kelly finds out this week, sitting down with two thoughtful, genuinely kind humans who are quietly reshaping how we talk about the UFO phenomenon. Roz and Dan discuss why women in these spaces still get push back for, well, existing, how representation matters when we're trying to understand something bigger than ourselves, the surprising overlap between consciousness, spirituality, and close encounters, why indigenous voices are being drowned out by military ones, meditation as a gateway to mediumship, Marian apparitions and what they might actually mean, the miracle of Fatima, why horror movies prove women always have the answers, and a deeply personal encounter story that Dan carries with him.

Also: Tom DeLonge's new book, the Nag Hammadi texts, meditation headbands that measure brain waves, the divine feminine energy showing up everywhere lately, Nancy Drew, and why listening to what makes you uncomfortable might be the key to understanding everything.

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