Vince Staples is always outspoken. In this episode of In Sight Out, a podcast series exploring new perspectives on art, music and culture, he talked at length about the NBA, style, white people, and, sometimes, himself. At Chicago's Museum of Contemporary Art he sat down with Pitchfork managing editor Matthew Schnipper who asked the rapper about his personal history, to learn a bit about how he got to be the sharp, witty artist he is today. He answered—sometimes—but goofed around too. Is he a troll? We asked him, and he deferred to his manager, sitting in the audience who had to say yes. 

But there's always something serious underlying his jokes. The conversation took place shortly after Eminem's now infamous anti-Trump rap on the BET Hip-Hop Awards. Asked for his opinion on Eminem's performance, Staples did not hold back, talking at length about the larger cultural context behind all the adulation for Em. There's so much to unpack in the hip-hop universe, and Staples is a worthy guide. So while much of the conversation was classic Staples banter, there was meaning rife within everything he said. Listen close.