On the fourth episode of The Optimist, we take you into the highest ranks of Europe's most valuable company: our guest Thomas Saueressig is a member of the executive board at SAP SE, directly responsible for 38.000 colleagues – and customer services and delivery. Thomas shares insights from his latest customer meetings, explains why working with universities is crucial for talent sourcing and retention alike, and how a large transformation he went through could be a blueprint for many European companies in times of increasing challenges. Follow Thomas's own journey at SAP that began more than two decades ago, and learn how modern leadership in a fast-growing industry looks like – with a humans-first approach.