In a world that’s both metaphorically and literally on fire, it can feel nearly impossible to figure out how the hell to live without either feeling like you’re gaslighting yourself into “normalcy” or getting so paralyzed by eco-anxiety that you can’t function. 

In this episode, Valerie and Emerson dive into all things Eco-Anxiety & Planet Grief, as well as steps you can take to navigate a burning world without getting STUCK in the apathetic loop of grieving our Mother Earth.

This episode covers:

• 04:40 - Tea & Crumpets: Katrina: Come Hell and High Water + One Battle After Another
• 09:04 - Step Into My Office: How do I care about the planet without drowning in guilt or apathy?
• 17:01 - The DSM: Eco-Anxiety & Planet Grief
• 43:11 - Now That's What I Call...OKAAAAY!
• 45:21 - Valerie’s Pick: "Peace Train" by Cat Stephens 
• 48:11 - Emerson’s Pick: "Send It On" by Disney's Friends for Change
• 48:36 - Wait...What? The Great Lock In of 2025
• 53:09 - Fire Dumpster Phoenix: Man is Shocked to Find His Dog Giving a Baby Koala a Piggyback Ride and The triumphant return of Francine the cat

Resources + Stuff  Mentioned in This Episode:

• Katrina: Come Hell and High Water
• One Battle After Another
• Yale Experts Explain Climate Anxiety
• Hickman et al., 2021, The Lancet Planetary Health
• Chapman et al., 2021, The Journal of Climate Change and Health
• Clinical Ecopsychology: The Mental Health Impacts and Underlying Pathways of the Climate and Environmental Crisis
• https://playingforchange.com 
• "Peace Train" by Cat Stephens
• "Send It On" by Disney's Friends for Change
• The triumphant return of Francine the cat
• Man is Shocked to Find His Dog Giving a Baby Koala a Piggyback Ride
• The Great Lock In of 2025

Connect with Us:

• Send a story or ask for advice: butforrealpod@gmail.com 
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• The Gaia Center on IG: @thegaiacenter
• Val on IG: @valkaymartin
• The Gaia Center website: www.gaiacenter.co 

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