How can health care address the systemic challenges that have impeded progress on safety for decades? What lessons can be learned from other industries that have made safety a top priority? Join host Karen Wolk Feinstein and guests Nancy Leveson, professor, engineer, and systems safety expert, and Dr. Michael Shabot, physician, former healthcare executive, and expert in high-reliability healthcare safety and quality, for a thought-provoking discussion on how we can build a safer future for both patients and workers.

Read the show notes here: https://npsb.org/podcast/episode-23-where-is-the-system/