A Happy Mother’s Day to everyone tuning in! This is an honest conversation between a mother and daughter about the crippling expectations placed on mothers in high control groups. Lisa explains her experience growing up in Mormonism which shaped her view of her options after high school and directly led her to becoming a young mother leaving her dreams behind. Shelise chimes in about what she remembers the messaging being as a young girl in Mormonism and explains the pros and cons of raising a child outside of a high demand religion.

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Chapter Marks

000:00:00 Intro

00:03:47 Shelise's Special Announcement...

00:04:25 Lisa's early years attending Young Womens

00:05:28 The only option for a woman was to be a wife and mother

00:12:14 What the crossroads of career vs marriage was like for Lisa

00:16:44 Are Utah Mormons different than Mormons from other states?

00:21:25 The pitfalls of the church pressuring young people to get married

00:28:37 Parenting is already hard enough-- what the extra layer of guilt & shame was like for Lisa

00:31:35 The discusses her own break downs

00:34:51 The chaos of Lisa getting the chiIdren ready for church, and to show up presenting perfect

00:39:50 The pressures of a Mormon mom when it comes to their children's actions

00:44:06 Lisa's thoughts on sending her kids on a Mormon Mission

00:47:01 Things that made being a parent difficult while Mormon

00:52:17 Lisa's regrets as a Mormon mom

00:54:25 Shelise opens up about her beliefs and raising chiIdren in a religious state

01:04:14 Lisa's thoughts on the after life

01:05:47 What is the cost of Mormon salvation?

01:12:12 How Lisa feels about the less strict parenting rules the church has now

01:18:20 Final thoughts

01:26:35 Linda, listen

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