Been camping or hiking in a national park this summer? It's pretty wild right now. In the midst of their busiest season, national parks and other public lands are under-staffed and facing massive budget cuts.

Former National Park Service Director Jon Jarvis spoke with How Wild's Marissa Ortega-Welch about the threats to public lands right now and shared his insights from forty years of working within the agency.

This interview was recorded live at KALW Public Media on July 22, 2025.

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