In this episode, James and Ben are joined by Ed Kerr and Craig Lappin-Smith - a banker and restaurateur respectively, and joint co-founders of Herd - a project to promote regenerative farming through fractional ownership of farmland. 

Up for discussion - why food should be front and centre of nature recovery, why rewilding may not be all it's cracked up to be and why James isn't cut out for goat-herding...