• I really believe that we carry the spirit of the land wherever we go. In the Western canon, they say that once you leave home, you can never return, but in the Indigenous canon, home never leaves you. 

I remember Sandra Laronde contacting me when I was running the Inter-Arts Office at Canada Council in early 2000 asking me where Red Sky Performance fits in the Council’s suite of programs and silos. Claude, you know, I combine indigenous dance, theatre, music, media and more but rarely the same way. 

The Council and Red Sky figured things out. I’ve always been amazed by Sandra’s imagination, spirit, entrepreneurship and her skills as a connector.

We’ve crossed paths many times of the years, on assessment committees, at festivals and at Indigenous arts gatherings. For example, I have fond memories of having been invited by a group of Indigenous women arts administrators and leaders, including Sandra, to gatherings where we sang, danced, held talking circles and listened to each other's needs and offerings and listened to the world around us. 

Our conversation on June 18, 2024 in her backyard in Tkaronto focused on her debut novel, ‘She Holds Up the Stars’, which was published by Annick Press in August 2022. I wanted to know more about this story of a young Indigenous girl searching for a sense of home who finds strength and courage in her gifts, her deepening connection to the land, and her own cultural awakening. Sandra admitted to me that it is mostly based on her own life and talks about the origins of this book during the episode this way:

• I wanted something that had humor and saw the world as a positive reflection of who we are as Indigenous people and as a sensitive kid. My world wasn't just focused on humans, it was really more spirit-centric. It was really about everything that is alive in the world, whether that be rivers and trees, or the wind or the lake, or a bird. All of these beings are alive and well. 

We also spoke about the launch of Aki Creators the night before our conversation, which is a portal of stories rooted in Indigenous wisdom, arts, and a shared love of the land.

I asked her, as I always do, about the role of art in the ecological crisis : 

• I think art helps us to connect or reconnect spiritually, emotionally and even intellectually to the environment and world around us and each other. Artists have a kind of an antenna to them where they're often foreseeing what's going to happen next. … Artists are the antenna of the world. Some of these movies that are sci-fi  movies or books have elements of truth in them and there’s warnings.

We also spoke about the use of artificial intelligence by indigenous artists ;

• The big concern in the AI space and in the digital space is that in the hands of very few people. Very few are prompt engineering. There’s a lot of big companies and the dominant voice in the digital sphere is still a white privileged male voice. Only 14% of women are in AI. As an Indigenous person, my mind wonders if this could potentially be another robust form of colonization if we don't get in there and sway, change and transform the narrative. You know, if we just leave it, I think this is a great peril and not only to us, but to the world.

There are many examples of artistic use of AI on Aki Creators. 

As we sipped a bit of rose wine in her backyard in Tkaronto, planes and helicopters passed by but we also heard and were present with the whisper of trees and birdsong as we talked about how we humans are a part of nature and how art helps us look up at the stars and wonder what was and could be.

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END NOTES FOR ALL EPISODES

Hey conscient listeners, 

Thanks for your presence. Season 5 of this podcast is now completed. I'll be back with season 6 on art and culture in times of crisis and collapse (see trailer for details) sometime in 2025. 

Background on the conscient podcast 

I’ve been producing the conscient podcast as a learning and unlearning journey since May 2020 on un-ceded Anishinaabe Algonquin territory (Ottawa). It’s my way to give back and be present.

In parallel with the production of the conscient podcast and it's francophone counterpart, balado conscient, I publish a Substack newsletter called ‘a calm presence' which are 'short, practical essays about collapse acceptance, adaptation, response and art’. To subscribe (free of charge) see https://acalmpresence.substack.com. You'll also find a podcast version of each a calm presence posting on Substack or one your favorite podcast player.

Also, please note that a complete transcript of most conscient podcast and balado conscient episodes from season 1 to 5 is available on the web version of this site (not available on podcast apps) here: https://conscient-podcast.simplecast.com/episodes.

Your feedback is always welcome at claude@conscient.ca and/or on conscient podcast social media: Facebook, X, Instagram or Linkedin. 

I am grateful and accountable to the earth and the human labour that provided me with the privilege of producing this podcast, including the toxic materials and extractive processes behind the computers, recorders, transportation systems and infrastructure that made this production possible. 

Claude Schryer

Latest update on November 6, 2024