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“3 doubts about veganism” by emre kaplan🔸

“3 doubts about veganism” by emre kaplan🔸

Update: 2025-11-26
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I keep thinking about what kind of identity would be useful for building a powerful animal advocacy movement. Here are 3 features of veganism that I often think about which make me doubt its usefulness.

Too maximalist

The official definition of veganism by the inventors of the term is the following:

“Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose”

This basically amounts to "avoid doing bad things as far as possible." The threshold sits right below what is impossible. I think that is way too ambitious. Doing the best possible thing at every circumstance shouldn’t be the criterion for inclusion to a social movement. We don't expect human rights activists to avoid all forms of exploitation and cruelty as far as possible to qualify as human rights activists.

Some activists respond "No, veganism is the bare minimum. The 'as far as possible and practicable' part means it's not about being perfect.". But when I ask for examples of gratuitously harmful actions that veganism doesn't forbid, at most I hear about instances of accidental uses [...]

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Outline:

(00:22 ) Too maximalist

(03:37 ) No space for believers to sin

(04:29 ) Too behaviour-focused

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First published:

November 26th, 2025



Source:

https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/BX8hPeye2QRcyftRk/3-doubts-about-veganism


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Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.

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“3 doubts about veganism” by emre kaplan🔸

“3 doubts about veganism” by emre kaplan🔸