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Are you a mental health professional with a feeling in the pit of your stomach that the system is BROKEN?
Did you start your training full of ideas about changing the landscape of mental health for the better but now you find you are so busy seeing people in crisis that you don't have time to do any of it?
Do you KNOW that we need to get out of our therapy rooms and start reaching people in other ways? Do you KNOW that the key to better mental health is prevention not crisis management?
If you do then join me for a mix practical skills, strategies and inspirational interviews with psychologists and therapists just like you who are using their skills to do BIG things way beyond the therapy room.
Prepare to get your "trainee spirit" back.
Did you start your training full of ideas about changing the landscape of mental health for the better but now you find you are so busy seeing people in crisis that you don't have time to do any of it?
Do you KNOW that we need to get out of our therapy rooms and start reaching people in other ways? Do you KNOW that the key to better mental health is prevention not crisis management?
If you do then join me for a mix practical skills, strategies and inspirational interviews with psychologists and therapists just like you who are using their skills to do BIG things way beyond the therapy room.
Prepare to get your "trainee spirit" back.
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Fear of failure/public humiliation is the number one reason psychologists and therapists put off that big project they have been wanting to do. The good news is we can use the same skills we apply to clients to overcome this and do great things. This is the first in a series of mindset coaching episodes to get you off the starting blocks.LinksTo join the waiting list for the Do More Than Therapy membership visit https://psychologists.drrosie.co.uk/membership-waiting-listTo take my quiz to find out what is holding YOU back from being creative in your work visithttps://www.drrosie.co.uk/quizRuss Harris' FREE COVID 19 resources and meditation trackshttps://www.actmindfully.com.au/free-stuff/free-audio/?fbclid=IwAR3xexTBkUaVFECL2mTcskh_ghuSvfRcaAQW3wn3A0B0fcmCWodAEKNSuB8Blog: How the fear of failure is killing your creativity as a psychologist or therapist and how to deal with itMy quiz is designed to help you figure out what is getting in the way of your creativity as a psychologist or therapist. A theme that has come out over and over again is the fear of failure. We often get stuck in our practice, knowing we want to do more but paralysed. Sometimes this is because we don't know WHAT to do, which is why the Do More Than Therapy membership, and this podcast, have practical topics like "how to publish a book" with Tim Lewis. But often, we do know what to do, we just can't seem to make ourselves do it. This is usually because we are paralysed by fear.Most of us feel this fear when we are stepping outside of our comfort zones and doing something new to us. I certainly get it when I'm recording this podcast!What is so scary about failure for psychologists and therapists?I use a lot of ACT in my work and I find it helpful to think of the fear of failure as "fusion with the outcome" of our venture. By that I mean we have started to act as though several things are true:That our thoughts are realityWe can predict the futureWhether the project succeeds or fails is entirely down to usThat success or failure of the project means something about us as a person.People who have been successful in life often get away with this style of thinking as it makes us work very hard. The problem comes when we apply it to innovative projects because failure is an essential part of the process of creating something great and in order to be resilient enough to keep going we need to see the venture as separate to our self worth.Why we need to fight the fear to be the best psychologists and therapists we can beIf we don't separate from the outcome of our venture we will be operating from a place of fear. This means our body and mind will switch off the capacities for creative problem solving, social connection, resolving conflict and resting and digesting. Basically we will be unable to do our best work.Also, if we don't get instant success (which we probably won't) we will think it is because "I am a failure". The logical behaviour if we believe this is to give up and hide from others. This is the most harmful thing that could happen to your ability to make an impact on the mental heath landscape.What needs to happen for your project to be a Success? It may be helpful to consider all of the factors that must align for your project to succeed.Your intervention (book, course, podcast etc.) has to be what someone else needs at that moment.They need to understand how it helps them.They need to be able to afford it.They need to be able to prioritise the issue.They need to believe change is possible.They need to be willing to invest in themselves.They need to have 15 minutes of peace to make the transaction.They need to remember to click the button while the cart is open.How many of these things can you influence?There are things you can do to increase your chances of success. Getting to know your community properly as we discussed in the episode on social media, honing your writing skills or hiring someone with those skills and using testimonials can all help people.But you can never influence whether someone can afford what you are offering (whether that is individuals or commissioners) and whether they are able to prioritise this issue. There are a whole host of societal and family reasons behind these factors.You also cannot read minds. You will get things wrong and the only way of finding that out is to launch, fail and get feedback.My failure and why I value itI learned these lessons the hard way. A few years ago I launched an online course that was a flop by all measures. But I'm glad it happened. Feedback told me two things. Firstly that you need a massive audience to launch an online course, I did not have one! I've since learned that for every 100 people in your online audience (assuming they are all in need of your course) you are only likely to sell a course to one or two of them. So with an audience of 50 I was essentially stuffed.But I also, painfully, learned from that and some other failed ventures at the time that my topic, although incredibly clinically important, wasn't something people were willing to invest in. My course was a CFT based approach to mental health in pregnancy. I suffered a lot in my pregnancy and knew that CFT could help prevent women like me from pathologising themselves and starting motherhood feeling like a "failure". I had all of the passion you need to get something like that off the ground and the lived experience to make it relatable.What I did not realise is that we are not, as a society, yet able to priortise mental health in pregnancy. When I got feedback women told me that they "couldn't spend money on them when there was so much to buy for baby" (it was a very low cost course) and that "I should be grateful as we have wanted this baby for so long, I just need to snap out of it."Heart sinking right?The truth is you don't really know what people value until you ask them to part with money for it. This is true on an individual and a government level. For example I pitched to my local children's centres about providing low cost hypnobirthing workshops for "at risk" mothers as there is evidence (it is in the NICE guidance) that the principles of hypnobirthing can help prevent birth trauma and this was a stated priority in our area. They were very enthusiastic but ultimately were not willing to pay for it.I was devastated and I needed to use a lot of compassion and ACT to get through it but I am so glad I learned these lessons.Dealing with the fear of failureRuss Harris has some great meditations for de-fusing from thoughts that are getting in your way. I have provided the link to these above.Personally I use a journal to help me with this. If I am having a thought that makes it hard for me to move forward I write it down, look at it and evaluate whether it moves me forward or keeps me stuck. If it keeps me stuck I will literally close the book on it and every time it starts bothering me again I get the journal out (I have a tiny one for this) look at it and close it again. I find the phsyciality helps communicate to my mind that I created this thought myself but I know other people just do this mentally by labelling the thought and thanking the mind for it.If fusing with the outcome is holding you back don't suffer in silence! Come an join us in the do more than therapy community and lets support each other through it. If you have found this episode helpful please rate, review and subscribe as it will help more people to find it.
Books That Make You Think - Stolen Focus - Does social media make us angry?Welcome to our first regular Books That Make You Think slot. In these special segments of the week, we are going to be talking about a book that I've come across that, in my mind, sits on the threshold between psychology, business and marketing. One thing that I'm really passionate about is helping psychologists and therapists to learn how to build effective businesses and market ourselves, while feeling like we're still serving our clients really well, and like we're doing some good in the world. And one thing that strikes me is that often when I read books, whether that's a psychology book, or a business book, or a marketing book, I'm kind of merging all of those worlds together in my head, and trying to figure out where I sit as a clinical psychologist with the stuff that I'm learning. One book that has really made me think this week is Stolen Focus by Johann Hari, and I talked about it a little bit last week, and people were really interested in some of the learning from it. So I thought that I'd do regular slots, where we can talk about books like Johann Hari's book, which raised some really interesting issues for us, as professionals, and as marketers, as well. So I hope you're gonna find this helpful as people who are in business, but who are also very interested in mental health and promoting good mental health in the world. Okay, so the point that I wanted to pick up on this week from Johann Hari's book was the fact that I found quite shocking that on social media, posts that have hate speech in them, words that generate an angry response in us, are the most engaged with and shared posts. So a post that has the words obliterate slam, hate, all of these kind of aggressive words will do much better than a post that is positive. And Johann Hari goes into some of the research behind that and it indicates that this is because it speaks to our negativity bias as humans. And it makes sense, right? We're kind of trained to look out for aggression and violence and pay lots of attention to it as a survival mechanism. It certainly fits with my understanding of how human psychology works. So I don't know why I was that surprised, but I guess I'd never really thought about it before, and it strikes me that there are some clinical implications that need thinking through if this is true on social media, and if the algorithms are going to continue to promote posts like this, that are filled with really hateful language, I think we need to think about that on behalf of our clients and think about how we might need to adapt what we do in the therapy room and in the services that we create for our client groups, in order to take that into consideration. Because it's going to have a major psychological effect on people. Of course it does. So that's the first thing I want to think about today. And the second thing I want to think about is how we take that knowledge and structure our marketing around it. Because there's a bit of a debate here about do we do what works? And we know that what works is all of this negative language and hate speech. Or do we try and do something different, go against the grain of the social media algorithms, and possibly face getting more expensive results or less good results with our social media campaigns? So those are the two things and I'll start with the clinical stuff. Because that's what struck me first when I read this chapter of the book, and I'm really interested to get your thoughts on it. I really want this to be a conversation. So please do let me know what you're thinking as I'm talking about this, especially if you do go on to read the book. I'd be really interested to get some debate going on these topics. As a clinical psychologist, I mostly work with parents, and specifically parents who have had to go back to work for one reason or another, whether that's by choice or not by choice. And often it's those parents who have been dealing with mental health difficulties since their children were born, but perhaps didn't notice them until they had to go back to what they considered their normal life before. And for that particular client group, there are so many demands on their attention. And so many demands on them as people, that their threat systems tend to be quite highly activated anyway. So when I was reading that social media has this real bias towards promoting posts which have hate speech in them and posts that make us feel angry, I was thinking, I wonder how much this is contributing to that jangling nervous system that we often see in our clients, and how much that kind of hyper vigilance, anxiety, short temperedness, irritability, all of these things which are so common for parents to talk to me about, how many of those things are being fueled by the posts that they're seeing on social media, because I don't think I have a particularly good sense of that, because my relationship with social media is potentially slightly unusual, in that I mainly use it for work. I actually don't browse very often as a normal user of social media anymore. So I asked my husband about it, and he said he absolutely feels angry and agitated most of the time when he's on Twitter. And when I mentioned it, he was like, oh my gosh, I really recognise that in myself. So, on that sample of one (but there is research to back it up as well which Johann Hari talks about in the book) has made me think that this might be something that I need to integrate into my clinical practice. And perhaps, when we're talking about the benefits of mindfulness, or other things that we might do to help people to decide where they're going to put their attention, maybe we should be bringing up social media and the potential for it to increase our threat systems and to make us feel angry and irritable when we're discussing a plan for somebody maybe taking behavioural steps to improve their mental health. It's just something that I'm thinking about integrating into my work in a more formal way, because although with certain clients, if they've brought it to me, we have worked in that way before, it's not been something I've had in my head that I need to bring to them. And actually, social media is such a big part of what we do now as human beings, as adults in this society, that actually, perhaps I need to be bringing social media up in therapy in the same way that I would bring up sleep or diet. So that's just a thought. And I'd love to know what you think on that topic. But now, let's think about potential implications in this for our marketing. Because obviously, a lot of you, you come here for support with your marketing, and not necessarily support with your clinical work. So I'm thinking from a marketing perspective, we've got a real dilemma; do we jump on board with this trend and get lots of views on our posts by being inflammatory? One of the examples that’s used in the book is that posts with high levels of moral outrage do very well. I thought, well, we're all capable of a bit of moral outrage every now and again, and so hypothetically, that could be an option for us; we could hop on board with this and ride the train into the rabbit hole of despair. But as you're probably picking up on from my tone, I am a bit concerned about where that might take people, especially after talking to my husband and asking around with my friends and family about how social media makes them feel. If people actually have an awareness that it creates this anger and irritability within them, I don't feel like that's something I particularly want to be part of, I certainly don't want to make it worse. So I guess where I'm falling down is rebelling and going in the opposite direction with my content and thinking about how I can make my little corner of social media a place that people want to go, where they feel they can come and have a bit of calm while they think through a topic in a bit of detail. It's part of my motivation, actually, for doing some longer videos like this, is yes, the algorithm is telling me not to do this, the algorithm is saying keep it short, keep it snappy, but this isn't something we can talk about in a 30 second sound bite. This is something that needs proper debate and real thinking about and I think, my hypothesis is that there are people out there who are craving that, and that some of our minds are craving that time staying on one subject, rather than this endless, endless scroll of new information all of the time, I think there are people who want to stay with us and think about something deeper for a bit longer. I think it will take longer to get the audience because the algorithms are not going to prioritise longer videos, because they're all about short video at the moment, but I think if you show up and consistently create high quality content, which is giving people good value, and going a bit deeper, being a bit more positive, not giving into this kind of anger inducing language, then people will start sharing that with their friends. It will be slower, but people will do it by almost word of mouth. And you will grow a following of people who come to you for that dose of positivity or thoughtfulness, which they're not getting on the rest of the web. That's my theory anyway, and it feels ethically a lot better with me, to provide that for people, and then hope, and try to promote that content and get people's eyes in front of it. So one way that you might do that is creating one longer video or one more positive video per week, and then creating a short...
Books That Make You Think - Stolen Focus Part 2: Nutrition and attention in our practices and marketingWelcome to this week's Books That Make You Think. It's a moment in your week where you get to pause and reflect on a new book which I have found really interesting, and it's a bit of space for us to think about the implications of new books on our practice and on our marketing efforts as well. So I hope this feels like a little bit of a moment of luxury, where you actually get to reflect on some of the information that we're bombarded with in our daily lives, because if you're anything like me, it can feel like I read a lot of stuff, and I hear a lot of stuff, but I don't actually have that much time to reflect on it. So I hope that these little segments of your week will give you a bit of thinking space and a bit of time to reflect on some of the cool new stuff that is out there. This month we are focusing on Johann Hari: Stolen Focus, and this week I wanted to talk about the chapter on nutrition and pollution, and the fact that he presents a lot of very compelling evidence that the food that we eat and the environment that we live in is having a huge impact on our ability to pay attention, which in turn has a huge impact on all aspects of our mental health; everything from depression all the way through to neuro developmental conditions that can be diagnosed like ADHD. I won't go into all of the research that he cites, but it is very compelling, and it certainly convinced me that I need to be paying a bit more attention to my client's nutrition, and knowing where to point them for that, because I'm not a nutritionist, and I'm not going to become a nutritionist. But if we know realistically that nutrition and the environment are playing a huge role in mental health and the way that our clients are able to pay attention, then surely we need to be addressing that in our work directly. So I thought, what could that look like practically? How could I include this new knowledge in my clinical practice, and how can I also incorporate it into my marketing strategy? And one of the things that I thought of was, firstly, about formulation. And I think we always say that we try and formulate in a bio psycho social way, or at least a lot of us say that, but actually I've never drilled down too much into my client’s eating habits. I don't ask my clients routinely if they come to me with, you know, birth trauma, postnatal depression, that kind of thing, I'm not saying what food are you putting in your body? And maybe I should be. So that could be an element of it, adding that stuff into our formulation. Maybe formulating, if we know that somebody lives in a very built up area where there's lots of pollution, and then incorporating that into our formulation, that that might be making it more difficult for them to do the mindfulness activities that we are setting for them, for example, and setting that expectation with people, I think it's part of a compassionate response to acknowledge that we are living in quite a toxic environment in terms of our food being very super processed, and full of chemicals that make it hard for us to pay attention, and our cars churning out chemicals, plastics churning out chemicals, which make it difficult for us to pay attention, and just having that compassion that, okay, we're going to try and learn mindfulness here, and that's got loads of benefits that you will have already talked with your client about, but you are kind of running up an escalator that's going in the opposite direction, because of the environmental stresses that are on you, and acknowledging that and making it clear that you're asking them to do something really difficult. So thinking about one to one therapy, incorporating that into my formulation, and having clear referral pathways that I can send people to. If we identify nutrition is likely to be an issue, then I can refer them on to a nutritionist, so I need to make that relationship with a local nutritionist that I trust, or an online nutritionist for my online clients, that I can then refer them on quickly and easily and demonstrate to them that that is of equal importance with the work that they're doing with me. So that's something that I'm going to look into personally. Similarly, for the environmental stuff, there's not a lot that your individual client can do about environmental pollution. There's not very much that I can do as an individual clinician about pollution. But what I might do is look into some local activism that I could become involved with. There are always petitions in my area about pollution, about particular projects that other social enterprises that are focused on environmental causes are working on. And actually, if I know that this is really critical to mental health, maybe I should be playing a role in some of those projects. So those are the clinical implications as far as I can see them. Because I think we do need to respect in our clinical work that there is a hierarchy of needs. I think every clinical approach acknowledges that you need good building blocks to wellbeing, and the food that you're putting into your body and the environment that you live in are two pretty crucial building blocks in your mental health, and if they're not there or if they're not supporting you, then we need to address those first. So I think our clinical work should be reflecting that. Those are some of the practical ways that I might change my clinical practice, or adapt it slightly as a result of reading this book. But it also struck me that there are implications of this knowledge for the way that we market ourselves and the way that we reach out to people in the first place. Anybody who's done Psychology Business School with me knows that I've always been a big advocate for marketing through relationships, building up your network of other related professionals, who you can refer people to and who will refer people to your practice. I think that is a really valuable way of spending your time if you've got a limited amount of time to spend on marketing; I would always recommend building up those relationships first and foremost. But the added benefit of doing that is that it gives you this obvious pathway to send people on if you identify that actually their individual experience, their individual thoughts and emotions, and the stuff that we can deal with in the therapy room is not really the biggest piece of the puzzle for them, so I think it has that added benefit. Also, if you think about it, if you have a strong relationship with all of those other professionals, then we're sending the message to the public that mental health shouldn't be considered in a silo. It sends the message that we are holistic creatures, who need to be considered as mind, body and environment. I think that's a message that a lot of us believe in, but actually we market ourselves in such a way that it sends the message to people that mental health is its own discrete thing. Now, if that's not what you believe, then what better way to market yourself than alongside professionals that deal with the body and the environment and nutrition. It strikes me as a much more coherent message given what I say to my clients when they get into my therapy room. I’m always telling my clients that they need to pay attention to their bodies as well as their minds, but perhaps if I'm not positioning myself alongside other clinicians who do focus on those areas, I'm actually sending the message that you can just come here and think about your mental health in isolation. So I think from a messaging point of view, perhaps viewing yourself as part of that wider community of health and alternative professionals could actually be really helpful to the way that your clients end up viewing their mental health. I think that's really exciting. So how do you do that practically, if we want to build up that network with other related professionals? Well, the first thing you can do is reach out to people on LinkedIn. That's an easy win, because you can search for professional groups on there, and you can search by location, so you could set up coffees with physio-therapists and nutritionists in your area tomorrow, if you wanted to do that. Another really good way of doing this is to go to your local networking events. You will find mental health professionals tend to be really underrepresented at local business networking events. It was very rare for me to come across another qualified psychologist or a qualified therapist at a networking event. However, you will meet loads of people that do things like physiotherapy, nutritional advice, chiropractors; they tend to go to these business networking events, and I think we should be there too. It's a great way of developing those relationships because if somebody meets you and speaks to you, they get a really good sense of what it would be like to work with you, and they're much more likely to feel confident to refer to you. Likewise, I do not refer to professionals that I don't know, I don't like doing that. So you need to build up that network of people that you know, like and trust, that you can then refer your clients to, so it works in both directions. Another thing that you should be thinking about doing to build up these connections with allied professionals, is building up your repertoire of guest appearances. So that could be writing guest blogs, it could be going into other people's Facebook communities to give a bit of mental health advice, you could do a little talk, a little Facebook Live, or you could just
Books That Make You Think - Stolen Focus Part 3: Do you have enough time for flow?Welcome to this week's Books That Make You Think. I'm still talking about Johann Hari's Stolen Focus, but his is actually our last weekly session thinking about Johann Hari's Stolen Focus. This week, I'm particularly thinking about the chapter that he wrote on the crippling of our flow state. Flow state is something that I became aware of in my undergraduate study, and I've actually thought about a lot for myself, because I find that my ability to hyperfocus on a task and pay exclusive attention to that one thing that I'm doing is probably my superpower in running my business. And I talked a bit about that on the podcast episode About my Brain and Entrepreneurship. But what was really interesting in Johann Hari's book, is he talks about the fact that in our lives today, we have much less opportunity to experience pure flow state. And that's because in order to achieve that feeling of flow, where you're 100% focused on that one thing, and time kind of evaporates around you, you don't notice the passage of time because you're so focused, you need to be mono tasking, and that's not something that we're allowed to do very often in our society at the moment. So it's really interesting from both a clinical and a business perspective, I think, because there's a lot of evidence that if you don't experience enough flow state in your life, you never feel like you master anything, you never get that feeling of achievement and pride in something that you have completed. And we know from models like CBT, and ACT, and most clinical models, particularly for working with depression, people who are struggling with low mood, they all involve helping people to experience more mastery in their life, or to do more of the things that matter to them. And actually, if they've not got opportunity for flow states, then they're unlikely to be able to do that, or to get much satisfaction out of it when they do attempt to do that. So I think that's really important from a clinical perspective. But there's also this kind of productivity element to it as well, if you're not allowing yourself to experience flow state, how are you going to do your best work? And how are you going to get the reward that you need in order to feel motivated to continue to work on a big project like a book, or even a blog campaign, for example, if you're not allowing yourself long periods of time to immerse in that project. And I find this really interesting, because when I talk to my coaching clients, who are psychologists and therapists trying to build their businesses, often when they're feeling a bit negative, and we look at what they've done over the last week, they've done lots of little tasks on little bitty projects and they've not allowed themselves any time to really dive into a project that interests them and excites them. And I think we all recognise that feeling of feeling fragmented and stretched thin, and like we're not really doing any deep work. So I thought it'd be helpful for us to think about what we need in order to achieve flow state, so we can think about how to get more of that into our lives and the lives of our clients too.So Johann Hari uses Mihaly's definition of flow state. And his definition says that you need three things to be in place in order to achieve flow state.Firstly you need to be mono tasking. You can't achieve flow state if you're trying to do more than two things at once. Only one thing at a time.You have to be doing something that is meaningful to you. So it has to connect with some of your core values, things that you want more of in your life.It has to be at the edge of your abilities, but not beyond them. He gives the example of a climbing wall, that you know, you or I wouldn't be able to achieve a flow state if we were faced with Kilimanjaro, but we might be able to if we're faced with a slightly challenging climbing wall. So it's in a different place for everybody, but it has to kind of be at the edge of your abilities.So you have to create those three conditions in order to be able to achieve a flow state. And I just wondered if we could ask ourselves how often we do that when we're running our businesses? If you want to be the best psychologist or therapist that you can be in your business, if you want to achieve a big goal like creating an online course, or writing a book, then realistically you need to be carving out time for flow state. And that means making sure that you're mono tasking. I think that that is the bit that's difficult for most of us. I think carving out time where I am not distracted, where I don't have Gmail sending me notifications, I don't have WhatsApp, I don't have a child, or two or three, demanding my attention, that's the challenging bit for me and actually, to make that happen, I will need to put it in my diary that this is a significant block of time, I'm not going to allow any distractions, I'm only going to work on this one project. And for me, at the moment, I'm creating the final couple of lessons for the roadmap for a successful online course, which it's live at the moment, but the final module will drop in a few weeks time. So I am putting the finishing touches to some of those lessons. And actually, I reckon I'd be much more productive if I use these principles and gave myself a couple of hours each week, where I am just working on that one task, it's very meaningful to me, it's something that speaks to my values, and it is at the edge of my abilities because I know I can teach an online course, I've done it before, but this is a new subject for me and it's really exciting, but also a little bit scary. So I think I can easily fulfil those three criteria if I put in my diary ‘I shall not be disturbed’ for these two hour blocks. So that's what I'm going to do personally. But I'm also thinking that our clinical clients probably need a bit of guidance on how to make this happen for them. This is probably something that we could support people with in our clinical work. Because how often have you sat down and done, you know, if you're working the CBT framework, something like behavioural activation, or if you're working in ACT, we do monitoring of meaningful activities. And people seem to really struggle to actually make it happen. I think for me, thinking okay we need these three criteria to be in place before you can get the most out of these activities, at least a few times in your week, I think that's something I'm going to add into the way that I teach about doing what matters to you. I think I'm going to add in opportunity to experience flow state in my coaching work and in my therapy work with clinical clients too. Because I think if we don't have it, our mental health is likely to suffer. There's plenty of evidence that if you never feel like you're mastering anything, your mood is going to tank. But also, I think on the coaching and business side of things, it's pretty impossible to run a business that's close to your values, if you're not having this experience of flow. So those are two big takeaways for me, and I hope that it's helpful for you as well to kind of ponder on your experience the flow state, and whether you feel like you have enough of it in your life, or if not, and I suspect most of us don't have enough of it, how you might want to get a bit more. So that concludes our series thinking about Johann Hari's Stolen Focus. Next week, I will be bringing a new book to the Books That Make You Think slot, but I'd love to know what you think on all of these topics. My intention with these sessions is to open up a conversation and to think deeply for change, about some of these big issues that Johann Hari has brought up and the other authors are bringing up in their work. Because so often, we get a soundbite on social media, maybe a quote, or something similar, and we never really get to investigate these topics and the implications they have for us, our clients and our businesses and our marketing in much depth. But really, there's so much that we can learn from applying this stuff in multiple different ways. So I hope that this has been interesting for you. Please do let me know your thoughts. Leave me comments, and just join in the conversation. I think it's a really fascinating topic, and I could talk about Johann Hari's book for the rest of my days, probably, but I'm limiting myself to just a month on each book, so we will have a new book next week. So I'd love to hear from you. I'm @RosieGilderthorp if you're on Instagram, give me a follow and a comment. If you're listening on the podcast, then please do come and talk to me over on Instagram, I'd really love to hear what you're thinking.Prefer to watch the video? 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