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System Shift: Leading Change So Students Thrive

Author: Dr. Gail Angus, Dr. Leesa Huang, and Dr. Mary Beth Kropp

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“System Shift: Leading Change So Students Thrive” is the go-to podcast for education leaders dedicated to building safe, inclusive learning environments through transformative, sustainable system-wide change. Hosted by Dr. Gail Angus, Dr. Leesa Huang, and Dr. Mary Beth Kropp— expert practitioners with implementing complex initiatives—this podcast blends cutting-edge research, actionable strategies, and authentic stories from education leaders who’ve navigated the challenges of system-wide improvement.
Whether you’re launching a district-wide initiative, enhancing current systems, or tackling the challenge of whole-child development, you’ll gain practical insights and tools to lead change with clarity and confidence.
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What if the secret to your school’s success isn’t about having the smartest people or the best plan but about how safe people feel to speak up, take risks, and learn together? In this episode of System Shift, we explore psychological safety, the foundation that makes collective efficacy possible. Drawing on research from Google and Harvard Business School’s Amy Edmondson, we break down how trust, safety, and relationships create the emotional infrastructure for authentic collaboration and how school leaders can build it intentionally. In This Episode: What Google and Harvard discovered about the link between psychological safety and high-performing teams The difference between collaboration built on compliance vs. collaboration built on trust How three key elements—trust, safety, and relationships—create the foundation for collective efficacy Practical ways to build psychological safety in schools and districts, including meeting norms and feedback practices How protective factors like caring relationships, consistency, and high expectations strengthen staff connection and student outcomes (As a reminder, Episode 11 digs deep into Protective Factors. Check it out) Why vulnerability and curiosity are leadership essentials in building a thriving culture Key Takeaway: Psychological safety is the heart of effective collaboration. When educators trust one another, feel safe to take risks, and build authentic relationships, they unlock the collective potential of their teams and create schools where both adults and students thrive.   visit us at navigatedu.com!
What happens when professional learning communities feel more like compliance than collaboration? In this episode of System Shift, we explore the research behind collective efficacy—the belief that when educators work together, they will make a difference—and how it transforms teaching, learning, and school culture. Join Drs. Mary Beth, Gail, and Leesa as they unpack how to turn teamwork into true collaboration, build trust among staff, and create the conditions for learning that elevate every student’s success. In This Episode: What John Hattie’s research reveals about collective efficacy The difference between collaboration, compliance, and coordination How leaders can foster shared purpose and “we” language across teams Practical strategies to build relational trust and collective responsibility Real examples of districts transforming culture through authentic collaboration Key Takeaway: Collective efficacy isn’t built through meetings or mandates—it’s cultivated through purpose, trust, and shared accountability. When educators believe together that they can make a difference, they do.   Visit us at navigatedu.com!
What happens when the excitement of a new initiative fades, budgets tighten, or leadership changes hands? Too often, well-intentioned work around Conditions for Learning fades into the background remembered by a few, sustained by even fewer. In this episode of System Shift, we explore how to make Conditions for Learning so deeply embedded in your school or district culture that they survive every shift, change, and challenge. You’ll hear practical strategies for integrating these foundational principles into everything from your strategic plan to hiring practices, so they become not just “something we do,” but “who we are.” In This Episode: How to make Conditions for Learning a non-negotiable part of your district’s DNA Why sustainability doesn’t come from new funding or programs but from shared purpose and consistency The role of strategic plans, hiring practices, and job descriptions in keeping this work alive How to use qualitative data like belonging, safety, and connection as valid measures of success Why every staff member, from the boardroom to the playground, plays a leadership role in sustaining the work Key Takeaway: Sustainability isn’t about avoiding change. It’s about knowing what never changes. When safety, belonging, and connection are constant, your system can weather any transition without losing who it is.   Visit us at navigatedu.com!
It’s easy to get excited about new initiatives but sustaining them is where real system change happens. In this episode, the System Shift team explores what happens after Conditions for Learning have been rolled out. Specifically, how to keep the momentum going six months later when the excitement has worn off. This conversation digs into the role of adult accountability in creating safe, connected, and thriving learning environments. From modeling consistent daily behaviors to fostering a culture of trust and curiosity (not “gotcha” oversight), this episode highlights how educators at every level can ensure fidelity of implementation and long-term success. In This Episode: The difference between launching Conditions for Learning and sustaining them Why adult behavior, not just student behavior, determines whether systems thrive How consistent daily practices build a culture of safety, belonging, and connection Strategies for maintaining fidelity without adding “one more thing” How leaders can create psychological safety and use peer accountability to build trust and ownership Using data, reflection, and celebration to sustain positive momentum Key Takeaway: Sustainable accountability isn’t about compliance; it’s about consistency and care. When every adult models the conditions for learning daily, small actions compound into lasting system change that benefits every student. Grab a copy of the Conditions for Learning Audit Tool that was especially created to assist you with looking at how you and your staff are doing with creating the conditions for learning within your organization. Visit us at navigatedu.com!
In this episode of System Shift, we explore how Conditions for Learning can serve as the foundation that strengthens the work schools are already doing, not as “one more thing.” Drs. Mary Beth, Gail, and Leesa break down practical steps for making Conditions for Learning intentional, connected, and sustainable whether at the district, school, or classroom level. You’ll hear how focusing on seven key characteristics (safety and belonging, supportive relationships, high expectations, engagement and relevance, social-emotional development, equitable access, and positive school climate) can align existing initiatives, reduce silos, and improve outcomes. Along the way, we unpack strategies for implementation, communication, and small shifts that lead to lasting transformation. In This Episode: Why Conditions for Learning are not about adding another program How to use existing strengths and make them more intentional The seven characteristics that create strong learning conditions Practical strategies for aligning staff around a shared purpose How to reduce resistance and foster collective efficacy Key Takeaway:Implementing Conditions for Learning doesn’t require starting from scratch. It’s about enhancing and connecting the good work already happening. Small, intentional shifts, aligned with a clear purpose, create the foundation for whole-child success and long-term system change. Download our chart for implementation HERE!   Visit us at navigatedu.com!
In this episode of System Shift, we dive into why creating the right conditions is essential for academic, social, and emotional success. Drawing from the groundbreaking report A Nation at Hope, we explore how districts and schools can move beyond a narrow focus on academics to embrace the whole child. You’ll hear how conditions for learning aren’t just built in classrooms. They must be modeled and reinforced at every level of a system, from district leadership to school boards to classroom teachers. We also break down the six key recommendations from A Nation at Hope that provide a framework for creating environments where every student can thrive. In This Episode Why A Nation at Risk got it wrong and what A Nation at Hope revealed. What “conditions for learning” really means beyond the classroom. The six core recommendations for creating supportive, engaging, and equitable learning environments. Practical tools and reflective questions leaders can use to assess their own schools and districts. Why every adult, teachers, principals, district staff, and school board plays a role in shaping conditions for learning. Key Takeaway Academic success cannot be separated from the social, emotional, and cultural conditions students experience every day. To truly help students thrive, leaders must intentionally create environments that prioritize safety, relationships, engagement, and equity across the whole system, not just individual classrooms. Grab a copy of the Conditions for Learning Audit Tool that was especially created to assist you with looking at how you and your staff are doing with creating the conditions for learning within your organization.   Visit us at navigatedu.com!
When reports don’t align or numbers don’t match, confusion takes over and trust in data suffers. That’s why data governance is essential. In this episode of System Shift, Drs. Gail, Leesa, & Mary Beth welcome back Jeremy Deckard and Jimmie Houts of Viridian Education to break down what K-12 data governance really means, why it matters, and how schools can begin to strengthen their own practices. Far from being just a technical or IT concern, data governance touches every person and part of a district to ensure that student information is secure, accurate, and be actually usable for decision-making. Jimmie and Jeremy share practical advice, free tools, and mindset shifts to help districts of all sizes move from siloed and inconsistent practices toward reliable, transparent systems that serve both staff and students. In This Episode: What “data governance” really means in the K-12 context The role of IT leaders, data stewards, and other stakeholders in securing and managing data Why governance isn’t about restriction, it’s about enabling smart data use Common signs of strong (and weak) data governance in schools Free tools and resources to help districts assess and strengthen their practices Key Takeaway: Strong data governance isn’t about locking down information, it’s about creating trust, clarity, and consistency so data can fuel the decisions that improve student outcomes. Resources: Viridian Education Data Improvement Center Data Use Self-Assessment Educational Data Partnership   Student Data Laws Mentioned: AB1584 COPPA FERPA   Visit us at navigatedu.com!
What if the data we collect in schools could actually prevent crises instead of just documenting them? In this episode of System Shift, we welcome Jeremy Deckard and Jimmie Houts, co-founders of Viridian Education, to dig into how districts can break down silos and truly integrate their data systems. From academics to attendance to behavior, too often each department sees only part of a student’s story. Jeremy and Jimmie share how shifting from “my data” to “our data” and using data as a flashlight instead of a hammer helps leaders move from compliance-driven reports to proactive problem solving. Together, we explore practical entry points for building unified dashboards, the importance of clear ownership of data elements, and why starting small (and messy) is the key to building systems that last. Whether you’re a superintendent navigating board expectations or a site leader seeking a clearer picture of student needs, this conversation will help you see how data can be the fuel for transformation rather than a burden. In this Episode: Why silos in data systems prevent leaders from seeing the whole student picture How to shift mindsets from “my data” to “our data” across departments The role of data stewards and clear ownership in improving accuracy and trust Practical strategies for building unified dashboards and starting small with reporting Why using data as a flashlight (not a hammer) creates a culture of curiosity and problem-solving Key Takeaway: Data alone isn’t the answer. But when unified, trusted, and tied to purpose, it becomes the fuel that powers system change and keeps districts ahead of crises instead of reacting to them. Resources: Viridian Education Data Improvement Center Data Use Self-Assessment (DUSA) Educational Data Partnership   Visit us at navigatedu.com!
Educational leaders face constant pressure: boards want results tomorrow, while true systemic transformation takes years. How do you balance urgency with sustainability? In this episode of System Shift, we unpack how to design data cycles that serve both timelines, providing quick wins to build momentum and transparency while keeping the long view in focus. In This Episode: The difference between short- and long-cycle data and why schools need both. How to use Universal Screeners as part of long-term tracking while embedding short feedback loops for continuous improvement. Why small, incremental changes create momentum, staff engagement, and Board confidence. The role of a data calendar in keeping teams aligned, consistent, and proactive. Practical strategies to balance immediate feedback with transformational outcomes. Key Takeaway:Short cycles build momentum and inform adjustments; long cycles prove sustainability. Together, they create a culture of transparency, safety, and steady progress toward deep, lasting change. Action Step:In your system, do you have both short-term indicators to show progress and long-term measures to prove impact? Map them out in a data calendar to keep your team focused on the right data at the right time.   Visit us at navigatedu.com!
How we present data matters just as much as the data itself. In this episode, we unpack a real story from the field; sharing SEL screening results with staff and the very different reactions it sparked. Some teachers got defensive, while others tuned out entirely. The lesson? Data can only drive improvement when it’s connected to purpose, shared at the right level, and discussed in a safe, trust-filled environment. We explore how MTSS provides a framework for using data across academics, behavior, and SEL, and why leaders must carefully consider why they’re sharing data, who needs to see it, and what level of detail makes sense. From staff meetings to leadership teams to student focus groups, the key is matching the right question with the right audience so that data sparks curiosity and collaboration rather than fear or disengagement. In This Episode: Why sharing too much detail too soon can shut down staff conversations How to use Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3 frameworks to determine the right level of data A real-world example of student voice reshaping discipline interventions The role of psychological safety in making data conversations productive Key Takeaway:Data becomes powerful when the right people see it in the right format at the right time to turn numbers into shared insight and collective action.   Visit us at navigatedu.com!
School leaders often say they’re “data rich but process poor” overflowing with numbers but still unsure what’s really happening in their schools. In the first episode of our new data series, we explore why the key to making data meaningful isn’t collecting more, but clarifying the questions you want to answer. We share how connecting data to your school’s purpose, combining quantitative and qualitative sources, and creating consistent collection processes can transform data from a compliance task into a powerful driver of improvement. You’ll also hear a real-world example of reframing a chronic absenteeism problem by asking better questions and uncovering new solutions. In This Episode: Why more data ≠ better decisions How to connect your data to a clear purpose and outcome The role of both numbers and stories in understanding your challenges A 3-step process to get your team working from shared, actionable information Key Takeaway: Clarity begins with purpose. Ask the right question first—and only then choose the right data to answer it.    Visit us at navigatedu.com!
What if the same conditions that help students feel safe to take risks also determine whether your veteran teachers spoke up in a meeting? In this episode of System Shift, we explore how the three core protective factors, caring relationships, high expectations, and opportunities for participation apply just as much to adults as they do to students. We dig into why even well-intentioned leaders can unintentionally create unsafe environments for staff when expectations are unclear, trust is weak, or relationships are missing. Through real-world stories and practical strategies, we unpack how shifting from a risk-focused mindset to a protective-factor mindset can transform your culture into one where honest conversations drive real improvement. In This Episode: How protective factors fuel both student and staff well-being Why psychological safety is the key to collaboration and performance Common leadership habits that unintentionally erode trust Practical activities to map and strengthen protective factors in your school Key Takeaway: Protective factors aren’t “soft” work. They’re the essential foundation for alignment, accountability, and lasting change.   Visit us at navigatedu.com!
“Whole child” is a term often heard but rarely defined. In this episode of System Shift, we break down what whole child education truly means and how schools can move beyond surface-level understanding to create environments where every student thrives. Using ASCD’s five pillars—healthy, safe, challenged, engaged, and supported—we explore how schools can shift from a deficit lens (“fix the student”) to a strengths-based, integrated approach that supports the whole learner. In This Episode: Why “whole child” isn’t a program, but a mindset and framework The five ASCD pillars and how they apply systemically Why academic, behavioral, and social emotional supports must be integrated How to reframe from deficit thinking to strength-based support Real-world stories of applying the whole child lens to students in need Key Takeaway: Whole child education defines what students need to thrive—not just academically, but socially, emotionally, and behaviorally. When schools align their systems to these needs, learning becomes more equitable, engaging, and sustainable.   Visit us at navigatedu.com!
What if the reason MTSS feels overwhelming or ineffective… is because it’s misunderstood? In this episode of System Shift, we unpack the most common misconceptions about MTSS and offer a path forward that reclaims its purpose as an integrated, student-centered framework, not just a pre-referral process or intervention checklist. With perspectives from a school psychologist, special education administrator, and school administrator, this conversation will help your team rethink what MTSS really is—and how to define it for your own school or district. In This Episode: Why MTSS is often misused and misinterpreted across teams How the “checklist mentality” undermines equity and proactive support The dangers of skipping over Tier 1 and defaulting to intervention Why defining MTSS in your own language matters How integrated systems create coherence, clarity, and capacity Key Takeaway:MTSS isn’t a triangle, a form, or a set of hoops—it’s a framework for organizing how people, time, and instruction come together to support every student. The goal isn’t to label kids, it’s to prevent failure before it starts. Action Step:Listen with your team to learn how to define MTSS in your own words and organize resources: people, time and instruction, to ensure every student gets what they need, when they need it - before they fall behind. Bonus:Revisit Episodes 6–8 to explore how aligned systems, clarity of purpose, and integrated leadership structures support sustainable MTSS implementation. Join or learn more about Bridge Coaching NOW! Visit us at navigatedu.com!
Is your MTSS implementation falling flat—or failing to last? In this episode of System Shift, Dr. Gail and Dr. Mary Beth explore why Multi-Tiered System of Support (MTSS) succeeds in some schools and fades in others. Spoiler: MTSS isn’t a checklist, a triangle, or an intervention. It’s a framework—one that must be clearly defined, aligned, and intentionally integrated to truly support all students and adults. In This Episode: Why MTSS is not a “thing” but a flexible, living framework The danger of treating MTSS like a checklist or intervention tool How clear definitions, shared language, and adult alignment drive success Common pitfalls in implementation and what to do instead Why integration—not isolation—is the key to sustainable systems After listening you will understand why MTSS isn’t for “some” students—it’s for all. When treated as a guiding framework rather than a separate initiative, MTSS can unify academic, behavior, and SEL systems into a cohesive, student-centered structure that empowers adults and improves outcomes. Learn how to identify if you are “doing” MTSS as an isolated strategy or using it to connect and integrate your school’s work into one aligned, purpose-driven framework. Join or learn more about Bridge Coaching NOW! Visit us at navigatedu.com!
Why do some school teams thrive, and others stall out in silence? If you’ve ever left a meeting wondering why the same voices dominate or why others never engage—this episode is for you. In this powerful episode of System Shift, the hidden forces that sabotage collaboration are explored, including hierarchy, unspoken rules, and fear of speaking up. In This Episode: How cultural norms, power dynamics, and fear hinder collaboration Why vulnerability and psychological safety are essential leadership tools The impact of “unwritten rules” vs. intentionally designed norms How distributed leadership and trust unlock collective efficacy Learn practical strategies to audit your team dynamics and foster authentic collaboration Because collaboration doesn’t happen by chance, it happens by design. When leaders model vulnerability and create safe, purpose-driven environments, every voice can contribute to better decisions and stronger outcomes for students.   Visit us at Navigatedu.com!
Do your school meetings feel like progress, or just more pressure? In this episode of System Shift, we explore how to break the cycle of meeting fatigue, decision overload, and siloed teams by shifting toward purpose-driven, role-aligned collaboration. If your school is stuck in a loop of "meeting to meet," this conversation will help you reset your systems for clarity, trust, and momentum.  In this episode Drs. Mary Beth, Leesa, and Gail discuss: Why so many school meetings feel exhausting and how to fix it How decision fatigue impacts leadership and collaboration The difference between reacting to problems and leading with purpose Real examples of reframing meetings around shared goals The power of role clarity, distributed leadership, and collective efficacy   Your Key Takeaway:Meetings should energize not drain. When schools align team structures and decision-making with their shared purpose, they unlock trust, ownership, and real student-centered progress. Listen to determine if your meetings are connected or competing?   Visit us at navigatedu.com!
System Shifters! When was the last time a school meeting left you energized instead of drained? In this episode, we tackle a truth many leaders know too well: unproductive meetings are wasting time and working against your school's goals. With over 70 hours spent in meetings annually, educators can't afford to keep circling the same problems without structure, trust, and follow-through. In this episode, Dr. Leesa, Dr. Mary Beth, and Dr. Gail explore what it really takes to shift from meeting to momentum. In This Episode: The hidden cost of meetings that lack clarity and purpose Why structure, roles, and predictable agendas create psychological safety How unspoken dynamics fuel “secret society” meetings and undermine trust Strategies to turn presence into meaningful participation The power of distributed leadership and shared accountability Key Takeaway: When meetings are purpose-driven, transparent, and inclusive, they become the engine of real progress not just another calendar block. Action Step: Sit in on one of your school’s meetings and use our Meeting Effectiveness Tool to reflect on how time is being used. Is there a clear purpose? Do all voices have a role? Are next steps documented and shared? Plus: Join our System Shifter Community to dive deeper into how to lead these changes and shift systems that support every student and educator.   Visit us at navigatedu.com!
System Shifters! How many teams exist at your school and are they aligned to a shared purpose? In this episode, Dr. Gail, Dr. Mary Beth, and Dr. Leesa explore how to rethink school teams for collective efficacy, collaboration, and student-centered outcomes. In This Episode: Why simply filling teams with volunteers isn’t enough and what to do instead. The power of aligning your school’s committees to your core purpose. How team overlap, unclear goals, and a lack of psychological safety hinder impact. Why collaboration is a teachable skill, not just a personality trait. Real strategies for building inclusive, effective, and aligned teams that represent all students. Key Takeaway: Great schools don’t just have teams, they have aligned teams, with clear purpose, diverse perspectives, and shared accountability. The right people in the right conversations can create real momentum for change. Action Step: Download our Team Audit Template to assess every team at your site. Identify purpose, membership, meeting frequency, overlaps, and gaps and then bring it to your leadership team to start aligning your systems.   Visit us at navigatedu.com!
Is your school or district juggling too many initiatives? From SEL to PBIS, UDL to MTSS, today’s episode of System Shift tackles the exhaustion caused by siloed efforts—and how to shift toward integrated, purpose-aligned systems that truly support both staff and students. In This Episode: Why more initiatives ≠ more impact and may actually reduce effectiveness. The hidden costs of siloed systems: duplicate spending, confusion, and staff burnout. How to reframe initiatives through integration, clarity, and purpose. Real-world examples of schools aligning SEL, academics, and behavior supports into a cohesive system. Practical tools to map, align, and evaluate your initiatives with a systems-thinking lens. Key Takeaway:Success doesn’t come from doing more, it comes from doing what matters in alignment. Integrated systems reduce overwhelm, build shared ownership, and maximize impact. Action Step: Try this week’s alignment activity: Map out your school’s initiatives on paper, connect them to your purpose statement, and look for isolated silos. This visual audit helps identify which initiatives are working together and which need rethinking.   Visit us at navigated.com!
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