What It's Like To Be You

Omar Sullivan (SO/SP 6w7 693) is an absolutely hilarious and insightful person, sharing how being a Type 6 and growing up with a loyalty to “doing the right thing” collided with an internal drive to poke holes in systems, ideologies, and even his own beliefs. We trace how a Type 6 mind pings between self-doubt and defiant clarity, often using humor as both camouflage and truth-teller—a sort of “jester’s privilege” that lets him say what others won’t. We talk about the contradictions within punk culture, the irony of the sustainability industry, and the emotional truths that surface when a 6 splits inward instead of seeking answers outside. We also touch on the mental gymnastics of manufacturing certainty, ego fixation in relationships, and how being “the man behind the memes” reveals the necessity of division before integration.This is a loaded conversation exploring the energy of 6, the comedy of self-awareness, and how creative life often begins at the fracture point.LINKSLearn at The Enneagram Schoolhttps://theenneagramschool.com/Intro Coursehttps://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-courseGet Typedhttps://www.enneagrammer.com/Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994House of Enneagramhttps://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Intro02:52 - Improv in college and creating a lasting impact, anti-elitism and 6 leadership, super-ego and doing the 'right thing'14:39 - Making self laugh, ping-ponging, the humor of 6w7, "the jester's privilege", irony and playing offense to play defense, 3w2 vs 3w4 exploration28:15 - Pointing out the contradictions and irony of the punk scene, so/sp call-outs within the culture, questioning authenticity 37:34 - Holding contradictions within self, community orientation of 6, finding resonances within 'scenes', frustration turns to the eternal seeker, taking things to the extreme to understand it45:02 - Creative tension: the duality of 6s, inner split exposing emotional truths in creativity, getting into Omar's novel and the so/sp 6 arch58:07 - Humor as a survival mechanism, intellectual and detached comparative to 'fighter', relationship to confidence and the 'dark truth'01:06:01 - Manufacturing a sense of certainty through the mental center, better understanding reality, feeling social stability versus rejection01:16:08 - Not pinning self to external explanation: bermuda's tuning inward, so/sp not contextualizing actions in the collective sense, being affected causing alienation01:21:57 - Reinventing self, 'letting loose', being creatively fueled through adventures, the mental imagery of crawling back to life01:31:19 - Navigating relationships and ego fixations, "the truth won't save you", 6 being the hell side of attachment type; roasting 6s01:42:34 - 6's splitting showing ugly necessity of division prior to integration, “the man behind the memes”01:47:57 - OutroCREDITSInterview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram6

Celia Murnock (SP/SO 6w5 613) is a Type 6 whose intellectual clarity and emotional precision root our conversation in complexity: her passion for biomedical anthropology becomes a metaphor for her life’s work — finding and teasing out gray areas in a world that demands black-and-white answers. We trace the architecture of Six through her eyes: the struggle to trust her own mind, the looping vigilance against being naïve, and the quiet grief of feeling like the adult in the room since childhood. The conversation moves fluidly between micro and macro, from early recognitions of injustice to the moral orientation that propels her forward — often at great personal cost. We explore the distinctions between 6w5 and 6w7: the cagey inner withdrawal, the instinct to "snip the threads" before attachment hurts too much, and the quiet resistance to being shaped by others’ expectations.LINKSLearn at The Enneagram Schoolhttps://theenneagramschool.com/Intro Coursehttps://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-courseGet Typedhttps://www.enneagrammer.com/Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994House of Enneagramhttps://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Intro02:42 - Interests and pathways in education and career. Biomedical anthropology: finding and teasing out the gray areas, solving intricate/systemic problems12:28 - Not trusting the human mind; the finite and subjective experience, 6s horrified awareness, understanding and orienting to reality and certainty21:27 - 6w5 versus 6w7, 5 wanting to 'snip the threads', sensitivities to attachment 'mismatches'26:05 - Childhood recognitions of morality, 6s realism and 'calling out the thing', an inherent obligation to not be short-sighted by clarity and subjectivity, self-justification to 'making a stink'39:09 - Structural rigidity, macro vs micro and personal philosophies of life, stepping away from the microscope, injustices of the world47:33 - "Too many arteries bleeding"; super-ego of 6, being a porcupine or a bottle of soda that's been shaken, inner pressure, wearing a seatbelt in life56:51 - Struggling to find serenity, current life situation and tracking decisions through type structure, identity wrapped up into being the certainty01:11:35 - Making things more good instead of less bad, 'soul purpose'; depth over breadth 01:22:20 - 6w5 cagey nature, "I'm not trying to not touch you, I'm trying to keep you from touching me", private internal withdrawal, not signing the contract, expectations vs responses01:30:48 - Making a mess, cleaning up after ourselves, 6-1 stem reflections, resignation with attachments01:37:10 - OutroCREDITSInterview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram6

Elisa (SP/SX 3w2 378) joins us for a rich and layered conversation that weaves together identity, performance, and the relentless pursuit of autonomy. A pole and circus studio founder with a deep instinct for self-reinvention, Elisa moves through life like a well-rehearsed act — equal parts precision and provocation. We talk about what it means to build a life around something still stigmatized by the mainstream, the tension between personal truth and social acceptability, and how visibility can be both a risk and a reclamation. Throughout, Elisa reflects on the roots of her drive — a childhood that demanded self-reliance, an early mistrust of authority, and a bone-deep resistance to being boxed in. We explore the challenges of delegation when control has always been survival, and the vulnerability required to teach, lead, and create in front of others. There’s a powerful thread here about embodiment as empowerment: how performance can become a site of healing, defiance, and radical honesty.LINKSLearn at The Enneagram Schoolhttps://theenneagramschool.com/Intro Coursehttps://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-courseGet Typedhttps://www.enneagrammer.com/Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994House of Enneagramhttps://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Intro03:30 - Social blind 3 running a circus & pole studio, 'expansion' definition as triple assertive, 3's pride of business09:19 - Perception as a social blind 3, trust and autonomy in business, being an 'idea machine'16:34 - Sp/sx importance of atmosphere, eroticism within career26:19 - Approval of parents as a type 3, being consumed with a fire to fulfill 'who I am', struggling during COVID and taking things personally35:59 - Core 3 'keeps a lid' on energetic 7 and 8 fixes, 3 believing "I can do anything", learning the 'social game' in business42:31 - Being curious in the social instinct, tracking others' gaze/values, 3w2 anticipating others' needs but not clocking social nuances50:29 - Instructor experience, impersonal impact on others, relating to control in relationships61:15 - Separation/boundaries in professional relationships, seeking or deflecting validation, vulnerability in the sexual instinct and performance01:13:18 - Being a competence type, honing your craft, having an interest vs running a business, obsession with self-improvement01:24:26 - Childhood reflections; energetic and unfiltered, not participating in early school institutions01:34:59 - Self-worth vs social accolades, the role of teachers, seeking essential value through productivity01:43:07 - Not identifying with victimhood, difficulties accepting help/delegation, being an emotional support child, hyper-independence01:52:54 - Putting whole self into work, delivering excellence, 3w2 empathy can override necessary negative interactions02:00:05 - OutroCREDITSInterview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram3

Alex (SO/SP 6w7 693) joins us for a deep dive into the often-misunderstood inner terrain of the Social Six — where loyalty is a vigilant scan for danger, and the mind’s ceaseless activity is less about worry than about building a livable world. From the outset, Alex speaks to the dissonance of being typed as a Six, resisting the caricatures and one-dimensional projections that cling to the type. We explore the deep patterns of fear and mental over-responsibility that began in childhood: a sense of being a small, visible target in a world ruled by unseen authority. Alex opens up about health anxiety, asexuality, and the complexity of labels — both how they can offer coherence and how they can confine. Alex also brings in the character of Zuko from our shared favorite show Avatar: The Last Airbender as a mirror of his own journey — from rigid loyalty to false authority, through crisis, to a reclamation of inner truth. Together, we explore how Six navigates the labyrinth of mental gates that must be opened before love can be received, and how trust — in the self, in others, in life — is painstakingly built, tested, and sometimes, finally, allowed.LINKSLearn at The Enneagram Schoolhttps://theenneagramschool.com/Intro Coursehttps://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-courseGet Typedhttps://www.enneagrammer.com/Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994House of Enneagramhttps://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Intro02:31 - Participating in Enneagram communities, creating memes while waiting for typing results, reacting to being type 6, unpacking the projections onto 6, "finding a mental home"12:27 - Being a 'cog in the machine', erasing individualization, a "thought-terminating cliche", having mental tweezers 17:10 - Childhood memories, fearing authority larger than parents, fear/anxiety of being a "sitting duck" to external powers23:36 - "Going haywire", the vetting mechanism of 6, fearing and joking about death29:01 - Ketamine treatment, expanding perspectives assisting with anxiety, limited "mental real estate", social narratives and afterthoughts, an unreliable narrator38:09 - 6s not taking responsibility for personal perspectives, pinging off of others, judgment off of 'needing others', self-honoring and life-giving, self-sufficiency narratives46:03 - 6s archetypal connection to labels, being asexual, attention to collective ideals/gaze52:30 - self-deprecation being limiting, therapy, social rejection, deconstructing 'what I deserve to have/want", identifying the super-ego59:11 - not making progress, fear of social vulnerability, 6's inner splitting, exploring the underdog position01:06:59 - Avatar the Last Airbender; relating to the Zuko character arch, shedding the false authorities, enacting personal will, changing inherited reality perspectives01:16:22 - 'vetting' self-love, matrix of mental gates, a core need to have 'right'...

Aurel (SO/SP 6w7 693) experienced a major stroke in early adulthood—an event that unraveled his sense of self and fractured his memory. What happens when your personal history goes missing? In this conversation, Aurel reflects on the slow, painful reconstruction of identity and how trauma rewrites not just the past, but the present narrative. We talk about radical empathy, activism, and the emotional labor of confronting systemic injustice while piecing together who you are. This is a deep dive into Type 6 themes—humility, doubt, the search for expertise, and the existential anxiety that rides alongside all of it. Aurel also shares how role-playing games became a surprising avenue for self-exploration, offering both escape and insight. Gender, memory, social responsibility, and the long arc of healing—it’s all here, held together by a steady curiosity about what it means to tell the truth, especially when the truth feels scattered.LINKSLearn at The Enneagram Schoolhttps://theenneagramschool.com/Intro Coursehttps://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-courseGet Typedhttps://www.enneagrammer.com/Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994House of Enneagramhttps://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Intro05:45 - Grounding to a sense of reliable orientation as a core mental type carrying significant memory loss09:37 - Mosaic of identity: pieces of Aurel's life, "firming up" to actually get better attachments14:56 - Being 'proactively solid', having a passionate moral compass, feeling guilt backlash19:36 Anti-fascism, practicing good discernment, community care-taking21:01 "Can we put a time stamp on this so people who aren't white don't have to hear about how I learned to care about racism if they don't want to?"23:44 - Social core 6 'sounding the alarm' to this reality, searching for and spreading truth through the 'best information'31:55 - A fascination with information, 6 wing 7 'play mode', anti-arrogance of 6, "I don't want to be responsible for your orientation"35:17 - Navigating influence and value, proselytizing mode, anti-elitism and self-erasure of the 6-9 stem46:17 - Role-playing games as an artistic form to navigate different aspects of self and identity53:07 - Intersection of memory loss and identity, "none of us hold all of ourselves", not being certain of self-perceptions01:02:14 - Gender Identity, re-inventing yourself, the complexities of social labels, 6s ability to see the categories held by the collective mind01:11:44 - Gender expression through the sexual instinct, sexual blind 6 afraid of 'being caught', sexual versus social attunement, finding 'flavor' through the arts but having 3 last01:26:43 - OutroCREDITSInterview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram6

Mar (SP/SX 7w6 794) joins us for a luminous, chaotic dive into the inner world of an SP Seven — where optimism burns like a flare, vision outpaces feasibility, and connection is often a puzzle missing key pieces. Mar touches on her social blindness — the kind that makes small talk feel like calculus and leads to well-meaning intensity that others don't always know how to receive. We explore her writing, which orbits themes of fate, finality, and surrealism — what she calls “pocket knife stories” for their compact emotional heft. This conversation also opens space for harder truths: her relationship with alcohol as both amplifier and isolator, the tension between reckless vitality and the longing for groundedness, and the ongoing work of integrating a self built on speed with one that can sit still. At the heart of it all is a question familiar to many Sevens: What does it mean to choose presence, when flight feels like freedom? Link to Mar's writing; https://www.marovsheid.com/LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 03:28 - Understanding enneagram typing before knowing the enneagram, something the personality is doing that isn't 'baseline', being different from the average mold 07:56 - Navigating social interactions as a social blind, blindspot not holding nuance 14:47 - Social dismissal, writing as self-value, 4 fix misattunement 22:36 - Type 7 instant gratification seeking, getting what you want from a young age, objects of desire, the dachshund story 32:42 - Making luck: balancing action/faith, assertiveness without pragmatism 40:19 - Vision of a solar-powered future, self-preservation 7 lacking stick-to-itiveness 48:12 - Fragility of dreams/weight of the past, looking to be optimally nourished, difficulty reflecting 59:37 - Mar's relationship to writing, type 7 always looking to the next thing, 4w5 constantly reworking self 01:04:28 - Finality and tragedy in art, fragility of existence 01:17:51 - Nature of writing and self-expression, 'giving the symbols legs', the inner tension between 2 poles 01:26:58 - Staying power of writing while being a 7 01:37:32 - Navigating alcohol as a tool, sp/sx not feeling answerable to social, curling into self 01:54:12 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram7

Cassandra Carol (SP/SO 9w8 972) joins us for a raw and resonant conversation about what it means to carry deep emotional weight while moving gently through the world. Cass, a high-energy and incredibly polite Nine, opens up about surviving childhood abuse, navigating a turbulent past marriage, and understanding the complex aspects of her unique Enneagram type with precision. We explore the paradox of a Nine who feels “too much” in a world that asks her to be less — the push-pull of wanting to merge without disappearing, of protecting others without burning out. Cass’s Enneagram journey (including strong 7 and 2 fixes) becomes a map for understanding her deep instincts to nurture, accommodate, and endure — even at great personal cost. Cass’s episode is an expression of what it means to hold both ferocity and fragility — and to choose growth anyway. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 0:00 - Intro 03:17 - Looking at the typing as a whole - 9w8 7w8 2w3 - how the fixes ‘give energy’ to the 9 core. Interpersonal positioning, reacting to and processing early trauma, not presenting the ‘real me’. 11:35 - Being triple positive, each type doesn’t want sadness. Rejection in type cuts off irritants. 16:56 - Divorce, talking about trauma with a fun ‘poppy’ energy, nature versus nurture and resiliency levels in type. (intro clip around 15:00) 22:19 - Body center ‘testing’ its own strength after past trauma, reflecting on 8’s influence on self-judgement, fluctuating between personal emotional control and porousness. 37:16 - Boondock Saints, religion, and past relationships 46:12 - 6 versus 9w8 relationship history and dynamic, 7s aversion to controlling others, speaking truth 55:11 - ‘putting on’ the bad bitch energy, taking on motherhood having mama bear energy, 9’s endurance 59:10 - understanding 2 energy, 2 fix glorified in christian culture, 9w8 sensitivity to being ‘too much’ 1:17:12 - positive fantasy, parenting with rejection influences, contradicting parts of type creating inner narratives 1:26:50 - dazzling therapists without getting to the heart, self-soothing obsessions, coming to a close CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram9

Ruth (SX/SO 9w1 973) joins us for a luminous and radical exploration of the Sexual 9's longing for union — with God, with others, and, ultimately, with herself. From an early age, Ruth’s life was shaped by profound mystical experiences: claiming Jesus at three, and at nine, encountering a vision of him entering her body — not metaphorically, but viscerally, as a wave of physical love. These moments left an imprint, becoming the compass by which she navigated the world — always reaching for a love that could hold her entire being. We explore how this early spiritual intensity tethered her to external sources of nourishment — church, relationships, ideals — while a deeper hunger for selfhood remained dormant, waiting to be reclaimed. Her story takes a sharp turn in her late 30s, when a “rude awakening” forced her to prioritize self-care and embodiment. What unfolds is a quiet revolution: the shift from merging to individuation, from numbing to sensation, from floating in spirit to landing in body. Google Doc containing all of Ruth’s poems, art, and links; https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_HCMlPkNOTMyt87PAmhI36jPTIIR71PaTxFw6oYDa5A/edit?usp=sharing LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 03:20 - Unburdening the self from a narrative arch 13:07 - Self-preservation blind externalizing the body through the church 30:57 - Abandoning will and choice in areas of life 34:59 - Sexual dominant; ecstatic states causing self-abandonment 45:55 - ‘Go find your mountain’; stepping into the world with confidence 50:44 - Questioning faith, ‘the fall’ to Earth and becoming a person 1:00:50 - Building a tolerance to regulating stress 1:11:44 - Connecting with the mundane self-preservation independently 1:21:28 - Understanding the natural rhythms and life force of the body 1:39:16 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram9

Anna Palumbo (SO/SP 9w8 937) returns for a second conversation—this time reflecting on the shifts she's experienced since our last recording. We begin with a live performance of her original song Wings for the Heart, a piece that emerged in the wake of personal rupture and now stands as both witness and balm. What follows is a layered exploration of emotional fragmentation, the disorienting effects of internal and external turbulence, and the slow, deliberate work of reweaving oneself from the inside out. Anna speaks candidly about a transformative road trip with her family that cracked something open—making space for parts of herself she’d long kept at bay. We discuss the cost of emotional suppression, the subtle tensions in relational dynamics, and the grounded power that comes from living with greater authenticity. What emerges is the portrait of a Nine learning to inhabit her full aliveness, not by transcending conflict but by letting all the pieces have a seat at the table. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 0:00 - Intro 7:31 - Following the bird song, the healing power of music, Performance of 'Wings for the Heart' 16:20 - Embracing vulnerability in art, heart receiving, a 9 in her element 20:36 - 9s line to 3, saturating a space with energy, showing up as 'I Am' 23:10 - Reflections since the previous interview, coping between internal and external world, "competency cringe" 28:03 - Noticing 'numbness' in presence, self-location versus fragmented states, 'needing time to arrive' 36:03 - Incongruences with life force, realignment with self by taking on a solid form, family road trip 47:43 - Not having a backlog of emotions or rage, 'bigness' of 9, transforming the need to manage oneself 52:34 - Embracing conflict and personal sovereignty, living in the space between myself and others 55:28 - Journaling/posting during travel leads to finding inner voice and framing of experience, feeling at home in my world 61:15 - Parenting with presence and clarity, "I'm more than just 'mom'", allowing struggles to exist in a child's life 01:08:30 - Integration of different threads of self, congruence within relationships 01:11:43 - Surrendering to self-authenticity, attachment dynamics shifting, a new energetic body 01:23:04 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram9

Bjarne is an SO/SP 8w9 with 3w2 and 6w7 fixes, though in this episode, he questions whether he might be a core Six. What emerges regardless is a portrait of a powerful, self-directed psyche shaped by an early awareness of exploitation, corruption, the failure of collective systems to protect the dignity of life. From political dreams as a child to his drive to awaken others to their own strength, Bjarne speaks about what it means to live with a sense of self-respect and moral propulsion. We talk about betrayal and its lasting scar: how one relational rupture cost him his emotional faith in others, replacing it with vigilance and paranoia. We also explore the engine behind his ambition, his disdain for comfort zones, and the sadness he feels watching others give up on their dreams. Despite his tough exterior, what drives him is a longing to ignite others into action and distribute his own fire so that others might reclaim their agency. This is a conversation about will, self-respect, the cost of vigilance, and the restless drive to feel truly alive. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram    TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 02:33 - What it means to ‘be excited’, decided which emotions are experienced 10:19 - Cut off from vulnerability causes inauthentic connection with others; the significance of self-betrayal 12:57 - Bjarne’s core 6 theory; ruling with anxiety. Clarifying ‘being taken advantage of’ 15:23 - Corruption, weakness, and politics 16:52 - An instinctual repulsion over disrespect of life 25:31 - Social 8 helping others see their power, recognizing individual impact can be a way of carrying on legacy 29:12 - Personal peeve on people asking for reassurance 32:44 - Taking risks, not being a slave to the system 40:27 - Self-actualization and potential; 836 trifix outlook of ‘this is what you have, this is what you work with’ 42:03 - Emotional impacts and processing of being betrayed 53:15 - The personal importance and societal use of ‘diplomacy’ 59:08 - 8’s boundlessness of motivation and reserves of energy 1:07:12 - ‘Vivifying’ the collective, channeling energy into others’ potential 1:17:25 - Outro   CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine  Edited by Kristen Oberly ...

Moses Williams (SO/SP 5w6 513) returns for a third and unexpected installment. After the emotional closing of our last conversation, the relationship he spoke about fell apart, and Moses recorded this solo reflection as a final statement. It’s part post-mortem, part self-reckoning, and it is beautifully 5: heady, searching, at times heartbreakingly tender. He names where things broke down, what it showed him about his patterns, and how he’s choosing to move forward. What begins as a Five’s attempt to diagnose and understand becomes something more vulnerable: a young person figuring out how to keep their heart open after loss.   LINKS  Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/  Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course  Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/  Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994  House of Enneagram https://youtube.com/@houseofenneagram⁩     CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine  Edited by Kristen Oberly  Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay  Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/  Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/   ---  #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram5

Moses Williams (SO/SP 5w6 513) is back for round two, and we dive straight into what he calls “the mortifying stuff.” We explore the dissonance of being autistic and socially wired — craving connection but feeling like a fish trying to fly. Moses speaks candidly about navigating sexual arousal alongside the fear of being seen as creepy or delusional, and what it’s like to experience intense desire as someone who’s sexual blind. He names his instinct to hide, control, and strategize, and what happens when that scaffolding starts to crack. We talk about being a triple competency type (513), the impulse to do everything alone, and the sharp suspicion that other people just get in the way. But then something unexpected happens: Moses softens. What starts as a conversation about childhood patterns and self-analysis ends in a rare emotional opening, as Moses entertains the dangerous hope that someone might actually want to stay. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagramTIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 11:33 - Differentiating type 5 and autism 22:09 - Social needs and a fascination with psychology 24:44 - Moses shares personal stories relating to early forms of type structure 32:33 - Giving sexual preferences space as opposed to suppressing 42:00 - Taking responsibility for the self 47:03 - Type 5 expanding on the obsession with animals 54:54 - Social hexad displaying ‘shocking’ parts up front 59:20 - Triple competency’s reliance on self and mistrust in others 1:07:49 - The spirit of collaboration as a competency type 1:15:03 - Releasing hope hiding underneath strategy 1:31:24 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram5

Moses Williams is an 18-year-old Social/Self-Pres 5w6 who is also on the autism spectrum. Moses describes growing up feeling that adults were hiding the truth, that essential information was missing, and that everyone else somehow knew how to be human in a way he didn’t. We talk about his often obsessive fascination with taboo topics—pornography, sexual deviance, violence—not to provoke, but to answer the horrifying question: “Am I stupid for not knowing this already?” He recounts a personal collapse that left him with three options: become a sanitized version of himself, disappear entirely, or dismantle and reform collective assumptions entirely. This conversation also explores intellectual separatism, the pressure to adapt to norms that feel senseless, and the slow, reluctant emergence of a heart that wants something real. This episode contains references to pornography, sexual deviance, and suicide. Listener discretion advised.  LINKS  Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course  Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/  Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994  House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/ ⁨@houseofenneagram⁩     TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro  02:56 - Introduction to enneagram, being a loner, interested in psychology to understand people  06:20 - Animals animals animals and being intrigued by fear  09:37 - Family background, being introduced to the internet, questioning traditional beliefs  13:17 - Stigmas around sex and sexuality, parsing through frameworks of deviancy  15:52 - Reading provocative books, fascination through frustration and not being naive, needing obsessions  22:56 - ‘Worst moment of life’, social incompetence  28:08 - Difficulty adapting, doing it ‘my way’ and making it work, “the way I do teamwork is by not working with people”  31:54 - Trying to figure out place in the world, ‘becoming sanitized’, stripping out people’s assumptions  35:35 - Power dynamics, finding compatibility  42:09 - Conceptualizing an ideal world, determinism, looking for something real  45:47 - Social relationships allow ‘getting to the heart’, loneliness and regret  50:23 - Being more competent at relationships, fear of feelings influencing self-image  58:51 - Realizing when type 5 isn’t actually talking about themselves, speaking about people in an...

Julie (SP/SO 1w2 126) says being an Enneagram One is like trying to control the lightning bolt you’re riding. We talk about how her pursuit of competence — in painting, music, and even dog training — brought early success but gradually drained the joy from each pursuit. She shares what it’s like to live in a body wired for precision and pressure, and how that rigidity eventually led to serious health issues after she threw herself into an activist cause. We explore how she navigates moral complexity not through rules, but through a somatic “yes,” and how her 2-fix allows her to “see people’s souls.” Throughout the conversation, she highlights something rarely said about Ones: their sharp, absurd sense of humor that helps her stay connected to lightness and levity.   LINKSLearn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/  Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course  Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/  Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994  House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram    TIMESTAMPS  00:00 - Intro  03:04 - Julie’s journey as an artist  17:51 - Creativity and excellence as a Type 1  22:43 - 1’s rigidity in music  28:52 - Being a frustration type in the body center  31:44 - 1w2 “rightness of action”  34:18 - Type 2/2fix “tracking emotional data points”  44:08 - Casting judgment or seeing soul?  49:27 - Julie’s relationship to criticality  57:26 - Advocacy at the expense of personal health  1:00:47 - “Primordial Perfection”  1:04:43 - Detecting anxiety as a body type  1:08:23 - The humor and absurdism of 1  1:17:25 - Outro   CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine  Edited by Kristen Oberly  Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay  Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/  Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/   ---  #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram1

Kim (SO/SP 8w7 863) joins us for an intimate and unguarded exploration of the inner world of Eight — where sovereignty is survival, connection is a gamble, and straight talk is an act of love. From the first moments, Kim’s presence is unmistakable: a force of nature, all-in from the outset, inviting others to meet her at full throttle. We explore the emotional paradox at the heart of the Social Eight — the innocent hope that others will meet her with the same raw honesty she offers, the crushing self-blame that follows when that trust proves misplaced, and the instinct to amputate not just relationships but parts of her own soul in self-protection. We delve into the Eight’s preemptive numbing, the hardened stance of being the gatekeeper of her world, and the quiet grief of being valued only for what she gives — not for who she is. Kim’s story is a vivid portrait of Eight’s vulnerability beneath the armor, and of the slow, courageous return to wholeness. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@UCPiABQQQE4Ret7cwmy-GmRA TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 2:08 - BOOM; here it is, 8w7 energy 6:41 - “I’m not a law of nature, I’m a force of it" 14:31 - Rejection core; cutting parts off, self-hatred 20:16 - Living as a social hexad type in a world of attachment types 26:41 - 8 and naiveté 34:35 - Social controlling, “I’m the queen of the chess board” 45:40 - Black and white mindset, 8s relationship to anger 54:07 - “You care about what I am, not who I am”, rejection and usefulness 1:02:08 - Anger vs. indifference and their role in care 1:06:52 - Understanding delusional or realistic boundaries 1:13:16 - Apologetic 8, integrity 1:22:00 - Forgiveness and innocence 1:26:11 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram8

Alice (SO/SP 9w1 973) joins us for a profound and poetic exploration of the inner world of Nine — where the background environment can overshadow the self, and the longing isn’t for pleasure, but for the peace of never having been born. We dive into the quiet ache for pre-conscious coziness, the hesitance to disturb reality with one’s presence, and the existential ambivalence at the heart of Nine structure: Do I really want to exist? Alice reflects on the invisible toll of absorbing the world’s energies, the disorienting effects of nightlife work, and the shattering aftermath of real connection gone silent. Her story is a journey of individuation and the slow integration of disparate parts of herself — from coming out as trans, to seeing herself mirrored in others’ self-suppression, and ultimately, to saying yes to life. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 02:24 - Alice’s current life context 08:17 - Being an extremely sensitive person, social 9 absorbing the environment 17:25 - “Swirling in your own cauldron” of the 9-7 stem 28:17 - “Ruining” the tapestry, 9w1 ethics 35:03 - 9s return to the womb; the desire to be unborn 44:03 - Saying ‘yes’ to experience 46:36 - Childhood 53:27 - Living as a trans woman 1:05:28 - Submitting my whole self to gaze - social instinct, type 3, type 9 1:11:11 - Seeing myself in another’s self-suppression 1:33:53 - Opting out of autopilot and serving a new vision for life 1:49:31 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram9

Sarah’s Type 6 mind moves fast—so fast it can create instant connection and obscure deeper intimacy. In this episode, she unpacks the whirlwind: the pull between independence and support, the trap of victimhood, and how unchecked reactivity nearly derailed a past relationship. With raw honesty, she explores self-sabotage, emotional spirals, and the slow work of learning self-trust. This is a conversation about growing beyond fear into real, grounded connection. LINKS Sarah's Music https://open.spotify.com/artist/6VAheMN9FSGheExTVAlBXD?si=rbz8XlbPQqaQx3mEr9De0A The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 03:08 - Reviewing the “bullet points” 07:39 - Therapy, working on self-needs rather than attachment structure reflecting needs of others 10:07 - What’s hard about ‘touching ground’ 25:11 - Victim mentality, self-sabotage, and type 6 ‘underdog’ 32:43 - Reactive attachment 39:41 - Seeking a dimension of parental qualities in partners 47:20 - 6 dividing from one extreme pole to the other, finding balance in the center 52:28 - 6s entitlement of collective ‘markers’ 1:02:42 - The horror of “it’s all 6, it always has been” 1:17:50 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram6

Kalla Mort shares her jaw-dropping story of escaping the high control religion of her youth (read: cult) and coming out as queer. This is an incredibly rich exploration of Attachment in the Mental Center, and how Type 6 navigates revolutions of core beliefs. Enjoy. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994   TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 2:17 - Growing up in high control religion, 6 attachment in head center 8:30 - Young 6 strategizing, ‘selling out’ in religion, theater life 10:21 - Sexuality in a purity culture 13:23 - IBLP, Gotthard, being a mouthpiece for collective ideals 24:56 - Awakening to identity 33:15 - Christian ‘beacon of love’ vs. personal visceral truth 46:03 - Dissociation of the attachment types 50:41 - Mental health, conversion therapy 55:10 - 6 ‘copy-paste’ discernment 1:04:21 - Psychosomatic symptoms of body/mind incongruence 1:13:49 - The mental center as a prison for the heart 1:31:45 - Deconstruction 1:38:13 - Weaponizing faith 1:51:02 - Getting ‘too big’ for old constructs 1:55:12 - Esoteric healing methods 2:02:25 - 6’s mistrust of the mental center 2:18:38 - “My biggest savior is my biggest sin - subjectivity” 2:25:56 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram6

Sara Pryde (SP/SX 6w7 614), trauma-informed massage therapist, joins us from Wyoming. We dive into the existential crisis sparked when her partner didn't finish his weekly banana quota—forcing her into making muffins against her will. Plus, we unpack how Sara, as SP/SX armed with all three frustration types (1, 4, 7), meticulously crafts her ideal cozy cocoon, yet accidentally projects being more socially "available" than she ever truly feels. Enjoy.  LINKS Sara’s Website (Massage Therapy, Astrology, Blog)https://www.sarapryde.com/ Learn at The Enneagram Schoolhttps://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Coursehttps://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typedhttps://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 03:08 - Nervous interview ‘bubbling’, 6-1 stem not managing the stress 09:28 - Social blind “I don’t like being a person”, being perceived, “I have to be mythic” 17:22 - Massage therapy, curating perfect environment 22:38 - Conflicts in Type Structure, 6 can’t cut off from service and security  29:24 - Comfort is not health, coming up for air as sp/sx 33:41 - “Security” as Self-preservation 6 34:55 - “Muffin Madness”: social blind frustration 49:32 - Not holding a socially collective reasoning 57:24 - Accidental availability as a 6, despite social blind 1:01:19 - Childhood 1:14:18 - Self-Reliance as Type 6, Anchoring to meaning-making maps 1:19:41 - 6s inner zig-zag, different ‘parts’ conflicting thoughts/statements 1:30:48 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine  Edited by Kristen Oberly  Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay  Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/  Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/    ---  #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram6

In this candid Enneagram interview, Kate (SO/SX 7w8 793) discusses her identity as an "entitled brat," her allergy to drudgery and limitation, and her dream (since she was young) of being a "kept woman." She also shares how therapy helped her distinguish between "fun negative" (entertainment) and "real negative" (trauma), allowing her to process difficult emotions rather than "bouncing" away from them. Enjoy. Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Browse More Interviews by Type https://www.theenneagramschool.com/enneagram-interviews-and-panels Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Timestamps  00:00 - Intro  03:59 - Outlook on what Kate does in life, not tracking self-preservation linearly  07:03 - Frustration of 7, not ‘hippy dippy’  13:22 - “I live in the land of Kate”, Type 7 relationship to freedom, theater of negativity masks "real" negativity  20:34 - No super-ego; fighting reality  22:13 - Friendship as a social 7, having fun and dealing with shit, reciprocity  28:01 - Being a ‘brat’, wanting to be a ‘kept woman’, freedom from ‘have-to’s’  33:29 - SP blind 7: no shame in others caring for them 37:31 - Being assertive, getting ‘in trouble’ as a framework  42:10 - Being loved more than loving  45:23 - Harry Potter addiction, proxy for SP grounding  48:31 - Therapy, letting in past hurts, not bouncing out of pain  55:21 - Seeing memories in new light, somatic connections  1:09:40 - Outro   ---   CREDITS  Interview by Josh Lavine   Edited by Kristen Oberly   Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay   Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/   Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/    ---   #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram7