Relationship Truth: Unfiltered

RESOURCES: Register Here for Leslie's Free Workshop Are You in a Destructive Marriage Test/Quick Start Guide Pam's Journey: Reflects on her marriage of over two decades overshadowed by manipulation and deceit. Discovering her husband's hidden behaviors: excessive gambling, pornography use, and financial mismanagement. The emotional toll of deception and cycles of hope and disappointment. The turning point: uncovering infidelity and confronting the reality of emotional abuse. Navigating Healing and Transformation: Coping with legal and financial challenges amidst ongoing deceit and manipulation. Finding solace in resources like Leslie Vernick's teachings and support groups. Recognizing and addressing emotional abuse: setting boundaries and focusing on personal healing. Spiritual growth and redefining beliefs about marriage and submission. Reflections and Moving Forward: Challenges and victories in navigating divorce and rebuilding self-worth. The role of support systems: friends, family, and therapeutic interventions. Embracing opportunities for personal growth and fulfillment beyond the confines of marriage. Insights into reclaiming identity and finding empowerment in life after abuse.

RESOURCES: Julie Bonn Blank's website https://www.juliebonnblank.com/  Abuse Recover Ministry: https://abuserecovery.org/ Book: "On the Frontlines of Abuse" Books by Julie Bonn Blank  Near-Death Experience Julie Bonn Blank shares her profound spiritual experience after a near-death allergic reaction Impact on her faith journey and ministry Understanding Coercive Control Definition and examples of coercive control in relationships Its role in perpetuating abuse dynamics Highlighting ARMS Programs Overview of "Her Journey" program for survivors of domestic violence Explanation of "Mankind and Virtue" program for abusers Challenges in Church Responses Discussion on how churches address abuse within their congregations Importance of supportive and accountable church environments Personal Reflections on Healing and Relationships Julie's insights on building healthy relationships after abuse Differences and learnings from past experiences

RESOURCES: Resources: Kobe’s book: Why Am I Like This?: How to Break Cycles, Heal from Trauma, and Restore Your Faith Dwell Bible App  In this episode, Kobe explores the intersection of prayer, therapy, and setting boundaries in the journey of healing from relational wounds and trauma. Drawing from personal and professional experiences, Kobe shares insights and practical tools to empower listeners in their healing journey. Prayer as a Healing Practice: Importance of Prayer: Prayer serves as a foundational practice in connecting with God and seeking emotional and spiritual healing. Prayer in Daily Life: Kobe shares personal experiences where prayer has been pivotal in navigating challenges and finding peace amidst turmoil. Spiritual Insights and Healing: Learning from Elijah: Elijah's journey in 1 Kings 19, is where God provided resources for endurance rather than immediate escape from suffering. Price of Righteousness: Doing the right thing does not always lead to immediate positive outcomes, yet God provides strength and resources for those who persevere. Benefits of Therapy and Coaching: Perspective Beyond Pain: Therapy and coaching offer insights outside one's immediate suffering, essential for moving beyond trauma. Healing Responsibility: While not responsible for the initial wounds, individuals are accountable for their healing journey. Questioning for Growth: Asking oneself questions is pivotal for healing, acknowledging there are answers beyond current understanding. Setting Boundaries and Biblical Perspective: Importance of Boundaries: Setting boundaries is biblical and mirrors God's design for relationships, fostering mutual respect and safety. Misconceptions: Boundaries are not about punishment but safeguarding conditions for personal thriving and mutual respect. Breath Prayer for Healing: Kobe shares a breath prayer exercise as a contemplative practice, combining deep breathing with a prayerful connection to God's presence.  

RESOURCES: Leslie's Free Webinar: www.leslievernick.com/o Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-SAFE Leslie Vernick’s book: The Emotionally Destructive Marriage In this episode of Relationship Truth: Unfiltered, Julie Sedenko and Leslie Vernick delve into the concept of "core strength" and its critical importance for women navigating destructive relationships. This episode is designed for any woman who feels she may be in a harmful relationship, offering practical insights on how to build and use core strength in everyday life, whether she chooses to stay or leave. Understanding Core Strength: Leslie shares her personal journey of realizing the importance of core strength, not just physically but emotionally and spiritually. She introduces the concept with a metaphor of physical fitness, explaining how just as a strong core prevents physical collapse, emotional core strength prevents women from collapsing under the weight of a destructive relationship. Core Strength Components: Courageously Committed to Truth: Living in reality, not denial, and embracing the truth even when it's difficult. Open to the Holy Spirit and Wise Others: The importance of being teachable and surrounding oneself with wisdom rather than just strong opinions. Taking Responsibility: Understanding personal responsibility for one’s safety, well-being, and character development without shifting blame. Empathy with Boundaries: Balancing compassion with the necessity of setting boundaries that protect against enabling destructive behavior. Practical Applications: Leslie and Julie explore practical scenarios where core strength is applied, including handling disagreements about finances, asserting one's needs, and setting boundaries with a controlling or abusive partner. They discuss the importance of detachment and how women can maintain their emotional and spiritual well-being despite external pressures from a difficult partner. Facing Reality and Fear: The episode addresses the fear of confronting harsh realities, like leaving an abusive situation or facing the consequences of setting boundaries. Leslie emphasizes the need to acknowledge fear but not let it dictate actions. Building a Safety Plan: The importance of having a safety plan is discussed for women who find themselves in physically dangerous situations. Resources and steps to create a safety plan are provided. Wise Counsel and Discernment: How to discern between wise advice and manipulative counsel, especially in a church setting. The importance of aligning advice with the true character of God, as revealed through Jesus, is highlighted.

RESOURCES Just Enough Light for the Step I'm On: Trusting God in the Tough Times by Stormie OMartian Emotionally Destructive Marriage by Leslie Vernick Quick Start Guide: www.leslievernick.com/start Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-7233 (SAFE)   Reflecting on the Past Laura talks about her hard memories of the marriage bed and how she took time after leaving her marriage to observe how others interacted in their marriages. She realized that healthy relationships exist and had to rewrite the script in her mind about what is normal and healthy. Challenging the Spouse Laura describes how challenging her husband or saying no would lead to either being ignored, receiving a different storyline, or being told she was wrong. She mentions how this would escalate to character assassination, erasing what she thought and wanted, making her feel she had to go along with what he did. Hitting the Wall As her kids got older, financial troubles and unstable work for her husband added to the stress. Three occasions in four months where her husband physically hit her were pivotal. After the first incident, she contacted the church, seeking accountability, but it led to no meaningful support. Her husband never acknowledged his actions. Lack of Support and Apologies Laura shares how her husband never apologized or acknowledged the abuse, often claiming that incidents never happened or were accidental. Physical and Emotional Abuse Laura explains why she did not call the police, mentioning her fear of creating a bigger mess and the belief that any report would lead to someone going to jail. She learned the importance of documentation and how having a case number could have helped her later. Fear and Control Laura recounts another incident where her husband shoved her out of bed, leading her to scream for help. She didn't call the police, fearing the consequences. Her husband continued to downplay and dismiss her concerns. Finding Leslie Vernick After these incidents, Laura tried one more round of counseling. Seeing her husband act cruelly towards his mother was a turning point. A friend recommended Leslie Vernick's book, which gave her the words to explain her experiences and recognize the patterns of abuse. Joining Conquer Laura joined Conquer in 2017. Leslie's teachings and the supportive community were a godsend. She learned about her identity in Christ and how to have healthy relationships, which helped her grow and heal. Grieving and Healing Leaving a 32-year marriage involved a grief process for Laura. Time and counseling have been healing. She had to intentionally remember the good times and not vilify her ex. Now, she can pray for him and look forward to advancing God's kingdom in her life. Moving Forward and Dating Again After seven years of being divorced, Laura is cautiously open to a new relationship. She approaches it differently, being mindful and keeping other people engaged. She remains true to herself and looks for mutual engagement and respect. Conclusion Laura encourages women in similar situations to see their own beauty and courage. She advises focusing on personal health and taking steps towards independence. Empowering oneself and one's children towards Christ and their own identity is crucial. Encouragement and Next Steps Laura emphasizes the importance of focusing on individual wellness and taking the next right step. She suggests creating a safety plan and being around supportive people who will speak life into you.  

Resources: Dr. Henry Cloud’s new book: "Why I Believe"   Online platform with courses by Dr. Cloud Dr. Cloud's book, Necessary Endings Leslie's Quick Start Guide: Find out if you're in a destructive relationship In today's episode, Leslie Vernick sits down with Dr. Henry Cloud, the acclaimed leadership expert, clinical psychologist, and best-selling author known for his influential books "Boundaries" and "Necessary Endings." With over 45 years of experience, Dr. Cloud has helped millions integrate faith and psychology into their lives. In this enlightening conversation, Leslie and Dr. Cloud discuss his newest book, "Why I Believe," a deeply personal narrative that diverges from his usual clinical and business-focused writings. This book delves into Dr. Cloud’s journey of faith, his childhood experiences, and the profound moments that shaped his spiritual beliefs. Key Points: Introduction to Dr. Henry Cloud: Leslie introduces Dr. Cloud, highlighting his significant contributions through his books and his integration of faith and psychology. Dr. Cloud's credentials: best-selling author, leadership expert, and clinical psychologist with over 45 years of experience. The Motivation Behind "Why I Believe": Dr. Cloud shares the impetus for writing a book about his faith journey at this point in his life. Initial intention to create a small pamphlet for his friends, which evolved into a full-fledged book due to the widespread need among Christians to share their faith. Dr. Cloud’s Personal Faith Journey: Growing up in a Southern Methodist home with a faith that was real but not front and center. His struggles with depression and a turning point during his college years when he earnestly sought God. Miraculous Experiences: Dr. Cloud recounts miraculous experiences, including finding a pastor’s house through divine guidance and the profound moment of feeling God’s presence in his car. How these experiences affirmed his belief in God despite not immediately curing his depression. Intellectual Obstacles and Resolution: Addressing intellectual challenges such as the existence of suffering and the relationship between science and scripture. Dr. Cloud’s deep dive into various scientific fields and his conclusion that there is no conflict between science and the Bible when approached without atheistic presuppositions. Integration of Psychology and Scripture: Dr. Cloud’s perspective on how psychological science validates biblical teachings. The inclusion of personal miracle stories in his book to illustrate the tangible impact of faith. The Problem of Evil and Suffering: Leslie and Dr. Cloud address the age-old question: If God is good and real, why does He allow suffering, especially the suffering of innocent people? Dr. Cloud explains that the root cause lies in the concept of free will. God created humans with the freedom to love Him or reject Him, and this freedom extends to all human actions, including harmful ones. The Nature of Love and Freedom: Love cannot exist without freedom. Just as in human relationships, love must be freely given and received; otherwise, it is not true love. God set boundaries to guide humans, but the freedom to choose remains, leading to both good and evil actions. God’s Foreknowledge and Plan: While God knew the potential for evil, He also prepared a plan for redemption through Jesus Christ, even before the foundation of the world. The presence of evil and suffering is part of the larger narrative of freedom and redemption. God’s Presence in Suffering: Dr. Cloud shares a powerful testimony of a man who envisioned Jesus taking his place during a beating from his father, illustrating that Jesus deeply empathizes with our suffering. Jesus’ identification with our pain and His presence in our suffering provides a profound sense of comfort and solidarity. Addressing Intellectual and Emotional Challenges: Dr. Cloud acknowledges that intellectual answers often fall short of providing emotional satisfaction when it comes to understanding suffering. He emphasizes the importance of trusting in God’s infinite love and wisdom, even when we cannot comprehend His ways fully. Role of the Church and Community: The importance of the church’s role in standing against abuse and supporting victims. Dr. Cloud critiques the misuse of scripture to justify abusive relationships and encourages victims to seek help from compassionate and understanding leaders. Empowerment and Responsibility: God has delegated the responsibility to humans to act against evil and support those in need. Encouragement for individuals and communities to step up and make a difference in the lives of those who are suffering. Encouragement for Victims: Dr. Cloud offers heartfelt advice to victims of abuse, emphasizing the importance of seeking safety and help. He highlights the significance of finding supportive communities and leaders who will stand against abuse and provide the necessary support.

Resources: Is Your Marriage Destructive? Find out. Get Leslie's Quick Start Guide here!   In this episode, we delve into the often overlooked dynamics of covert abuse within marriages, shedding light on its subtle yet profound impacts. Our guest, Jessica, shares her insights into these hidden behaviors based on her personal journey and observations.   Defining Covert Abuse: Covert abuse refers to subtle, deceptive behaviors aimed at controlling or manipulating a partner without overt aggression. Jessica describes how these behaviors include gaslighting, passive-aggressive tactics, and manipulation through silence or withdrawal. Impact on Emotional Well-being: The discussion explores the emotional toll of covert abuse, highlighting feelings of confusion, self-doubt, and isolation. Jessica shares her experience of feeling constantly invalidated and struggling with the blurred lines between love and control. Financial and Decision-Making Control: Financial abuse, where one partner controls finances to limit independence or enforce compliance, is explored. The impact on decision-making within the household and personal autonomy is discussed, emphasizing the need for financial transparency and equality. Parenting Challenges: Covertly abusive behaviors can extend into parenting dynamics, affecting roles, responsibilities, and the emotional environment for children. Jessica shares insights into navigating parenting while dealing with a partner's controlling behaviors and its effect on family dynamics. Seeking Support and Healing: Importance of Community and Therapy: Jessica emphasizes the role of supportive communities and therapy in recognizing and healing from covert abuse. Finding validation and solidarity with others who understand similar experiences is crucial for emotional recovery. Personal Growth and Empowerment: The journey towards healing involves reclaiming personal agency and establishing boundaries. Jessica discusses steps she took to prioritize her well-being and regain a sense of self outside the abusive dynamics. Raising Awareness and Taking Action: The episode concludes with a call to raise awareness about covert abuse, encouraging listeners to recognize the signs and seek help. Jessica shares resources and strategies for anyone experiencing or suspecting covert abuse in their relationships.

RESOURCES: Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-SAFE Are you in an emotionally destructive marriage? Get Leslie's Quick Start Guide HERE.  Listen to this podcast where Alicia tells the story of being married to a sexually abusive pastor.    In this episode, Leslie and Julie explore the challenging issue of marital rape, drawing on personal experiences and insights from biblical teachings. Join them for an honest conversation that sheds light on this sensitive topic with compassion and understanding. Understanding Marital Rape Definition and misconceptions. Societal and religious views. Biblical Perspectives Scriptural interpretations. Cultural biases and implications. Challenging Misconceptions Myth vs. reality: Marriage and consent. Importance of mutual respect. The Role of Mutual Respect Biblical teachings on respect and autonomy. Building healthy marital dynamics. Setting Healthy Boundaries Importance of boundaries in marriage. Safeguarding dignity and respect.

Resource: Leslie's People Pleasing Course In this episode, Julie and Leslie explore the connection between trauma and people-pleasing habits. They discuss how past experiences can lead us to prioritize others' approval over our own well-being. Through real-life stories and practical tips, they empower listeners to break free from these patterns, find their voice, and foster more authentic connections. Why Understanding the Connection is Important Childhood patterns: Survival mechanisms that may not serve us well in adulthood Impact of unresolved trauma on adult relationships and well-being Signs of People-Pleasing Behavior Difficulty saying no, anxiety when refusing requests Constantly seeking approval, compromising personal values Roots of Negative People-Pleasing Behavior Relationship trauma: Abuse, neglect, abandonment Response mechanisms: Fight, flight, freeze, fawn Personal Experiences with People-Pleasing Leslie Vernick's journey: Balancing pleasing others with self-care and values Setting Boundaries Importance of identity and responsibility in setting boundaries Practical examples: Saying no without guilt, prioritizing self-care Strategies for Healing from Past Trauma Recognizing trauma's impact on decision-making and relationships Taking responsibility for personal healing and growth Conclusion Importance of internal healing for breaking the cycle of people-pleasing Steps towards self-awareness, setting boundaries, and healing from trauma

Resources: Register here for our UNLIMITED Moving Beyond People Pleasing Drop-In Group Coaching + Video Curriculum Today, Julie & Leslie are exploring how some of your best qualities and highest Christian virtues can make you a target for toxic individuals. Have you ever wondered why you seem to attract destructive people despite your kind heart and good intentions? This episode will help you understand and transform how you navigate relationships, allowing you to embrace your strengths while safeguarding your heart. People Pleasing: People pleasers are often generous and eager to make others happy, which can make them susceptible to manipulation. Without the ability to say no, people pleasers may find themselves overextended and exploited. Learn to buy time before committing and practice saying no without guilt. Loyalty: Loyalty is a noble trait, reflecting a commitment to relationships. However, blind loyalty can lead to staying in harmful relationships with habitual liars or abusers. Pair loyalty with discernment and wisdom to know when to break away from toxic situations. Forgiveness: Forgiveness is a core Christian virtue, emphasizing grace and mercy. However, endless forgiveness without consequences can enable continued abuse or neglect. Healthy forgiveness includes justice and setting boundaries, ensuring there are consequences for harmful actions. Forbearance: Forbearance promotes patience and tolerance, important in any relationship. Being passive and ignoring habitual sin or evil can be dangerous. Be intentional about forbearance and confront issues when necessary, following Ephesians 5:11 to expose deeds of darkness. Kindness: Kindness reflects God's love and compassion. Niceness without boundaries can lead to being used and misused. Be kind but firm, setting limits on unacceptable behavior without compromising your values. Selflessness: Selflessness mirrors Christ's sacrifice and service. Being overly selfless can lead to losing your identity and becoming an object in the relationship. Steward your life wisely, balancing self-care with serving others, and maintaining your individuality. Trust: Trust is fundamental to any healthy relationship. Naive trust can lead to betrayal and harm. Trust with discernment, recognizing when someone is not trustworthy and acting accordingly. As we discuss these virtues, remember that we are currently enrolling for Leslie’s Moving Beyond People Pleasing program. This course is designed to help you apply these principles in your life. Visit leslievernick.com/peoplepleasingcourse to learn more and register. Final Thoughts: Embrace your Christian virtues but pair them with wisdom and discernment to protect yourself from toxic individuals. Taking care of yourself is not selfish, it’s stewardship. Prioritize your well-being to better serve others and fulfill your God-given potential. Remember to consider the entire counsel of God, not just isolated verses, to guide your life and relationships. Thank you for joining us today. We hope this conversation helps you navigate your relationships more wisely and embrace your strengths while safeguarding your heart. Until next time, take care and stay true to your values.  

Join Moving Beyond People Pleasing! leslievernick.com/peoplepleasingcourse   In this episode of Relationship Truth: Unfiltered, Julie Sedenko talks with Jill, a woman navigating the complex journey of staying well in a challenging marriage. Jill shares her story of setting boundaries, seeking therapy, and balancing hope with vigilance. Her experiences provide valuable insights for anyone facing similar marital struggles. Tune in to hear Jill's candid account of the ongoing battle to maintain wellness in her relationship.   Introduction to Jill's Story: Jill's background and the challenges she faced in her marriage. Early signs of an emotionally unhealthy marriage. Navigating Family Influences: Impact of Jill's mother-in-law on her marriage. Establishing boundaries with extended family. Steps Towards Healing: Seeking counseling and church community support. Building a business together and navigating financial struggles with faith. Challenges of Staying Well: The constant effort required to maintain healthy boundaries. Handling emotional triggers and setting consistent limits. The difficulty of not reverting to old patterns of behavior. Balancing hope for improvement with vigilance against setbacks. Navigating emotional health within the family and maintaining stability for her children. Recognizing and addressing codependency and manipulation in relationships. Behavioral Changes in Marriage: Positive changes in her husband's behavior and their communication patterns. Significance of transparency and trust-building. Final Thoughts and Advice: Jill’s advice for women in similar situations. Emphasizing the language of behavior and the importance of reflecting on personal responses.    

In this episode Leslie and Julie dive into the complex topic of intent and its role in destructive relationships. They explore the distinction between deeply selfish actions and those stemming from misguided theology, mental or physical illness, or past traumas. The discussion highlights whether intent should influence how we process harm and respond within our marriages, even when unintentional damage occurs. Key Points: Intent vs. Impact: The importance of recognizing that even unintentional actions can cause significant harm. The need for restitution and justice regardless of intent. Forgiveness and Amends: The balance between forgiveness and the necessity for repair and restitution. Addressing Harm in Marriage: The importance of acknowledging and addressing the harm caused, even if unintentional. The role of genuine repentance and changed behavior in rebuilding trust. When to Stop Bringing Up Past Hurts: The necessity of ongoing conversation and understanding the victim's perspective. The difference between genuine repentance and dismissing the victim's feelings. Trust and Safety in Relationships: The critical role of trust and safety in maintaining a healthy marriage. Examples of irreparable breaches of trust, such as adultery or financial deceit. Mental Illness and Responsibility: The balance between compassion for mental illness and maintaining personal boundaries. Sacrificial Suffering and Boundaries: The distinction between noble sacrifices and enabling harmful behavior. The importance of not sacrificing one's well-being to enable another's worst behavior. Recognizing True Change: Identifying genuine changes in behavior and heart versus superficial compliance. The importance of mutual care and respect in a truly healthy relationship. Listener Takeaways: Self-Worth and Dignity: Understanding that a partner's indifference or cruelty is a reflection of their character, not your worth. Embracing your value as an individual and image bearer of God. Living in Reality: The power of facing the truth about your relationship for making informed decisions. The importance of personal growth and becoming your best self. Resources: Quick Start Guide: www.leslievernick.com/start

RESOURCES: JOIN HERE: Moving Beyond Insecurity Coaching Week Day One Journal App Lundy Bancroft: Why Does He Do That? Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-7233 (SAFE) In this episode, Julie talks to Kay, a woman who adopted children later in life and dealt with a very destructive marriage. She knew from the beginning there were issues, but chose to try and make it work anyway. Learn from her mistakes and listen to the hope she has to offer. Early Signs and Struggles: Kay recounts the lack of red flags during courtship, the first major incident on their honeymoon, and the initial discovery of her husband's infidelity. Julie and Kay discuss the shock and embarrassment Kay felt upon discovering these betrayals. Cycles of Abuse and Financial Instability: Kay describes the cycles of destructive behavior, the impact of her husband's work-related stress on their family life, and his inability to maintain steady employment. She also shares her experience of financial abuse and a pivotal event in her marriage. Turning Points and Seeking Help: The critical moment Kay found Leslie Vernick's book, "The Emotionally Destructive Marriage," which provided hope and clarity. Kay's decision to make significant changes for the well-being of her children and herself. Filing for Divorce and Health Challenges: Kay recounts the moment her husband revealed his troubling mindset, believing it was a wife's duty to endure abuse and die. Shortly after filing for divorce, Kay was diagnosed with breast cancer and decided to keep it private for her own safety and her children's well-being. Rebuilding and Moving Forward: Kay reflects on her journey to safety, securing legal protection and custody rights, and the relief of a stable life for her children. She expresses gratitude for her friends' support and the strength she found through faith and community. Final Thoughts and Hope for the Future: Kay shares her commitment to teaching her children the value of truth and self-respect. She offers advice to women in similar situations: Be honest with yourself, seek support, and prioritize your well-being and safety. Key Takeaways: Over-functioning in a marriage can mask deeper issues of abuse and inequality. Financial abuse can take many forms, including minimal contribution and control over household expenses. Journaling and honest reflection are crucial in understanding and addressing abuse. Supportive communities and honest friendships are invaluable in navigating and recovering from destructive relationships. Practical and realistic interpretations of scripture can provide clarity and strength in challenging times.

RESOURCES: Quick Start Guide - www.leslievernick.com/start Domestic Violence Hotline: 1.800.799.SAFE (7233) In this episode of Relationship Truth: Unfiltered, Leslie sits down with Assistant District Attorney and Adjunct Professor, Molly Catherine Goodson to explore the intersection of faith, justice, and abuse. Molly Catherine shares personal journey and professional insights, discussing how her faith sustains her in this high-stakes role. She provides practical advice for victims of abuse, highlights the church's role in supporting and protecting them, and emphasizes the importance of empowering women within the church community.   Note: Molly Catherine is not representing the state of North Carolina in this episode. Balancing a High-Stress Job and Personal Faith: Molly Catherine discusses how her faith helps her manage the stress and high stakes of her career, sharing the importance of worship music and the powerful prayer from her pastor that helps her stay grounded. Maintaining Faith Amidst Evil: Leslie and Molly Catherine explore the challenge of maintaining faith in God's goodness despite witnessing daily evils, emphasizing the importance of viewing circumstances through the lens of God's character. Biblical vs. Legal Justice: A discussion on the differences between biblical justice and legal justice, explaining that while Jesus takes on our sins, earthly actions still have consequences. Forgiveness and Consequences: Addressing common misconceptions in churches that forgiveness erases consequences, stressing that actions have consequences and forgiveness does not negate the need for justice. Empowering Women: Encouraging women to learn essential life skills to become less dependent on their abusers, highlighting the empowering effect of managing finances, household tasks, and other responsibilities. Church Support for Victims: Practical ways churches can support victims of abuse, such as knowing local resources, helping with logistics, and offering emotional support. Emphasizing the church's role in ensuring the safety and well-being of individuals over maintaining relationships at all costs. Hope and Redemption: Molly Catherine shares a hopeful story of a victim of sexual abuse within a church community and how proper support and handling of the case led to justice and healing.

RESOURCES: Leslie's Quick Start Guide: www.leslievernick.com/start If you'd like to ask a question for a future "Ask Leslie" episode, go to www.leslievernick.com/askleslie Questions in this episode: Doesn’t there have to be infidelity, domestic violence or abandonment as a reason for divorce?  8:51 What does it mean to detach and can I detach from my husband who shows contempt for me and dismisses my feelings and needs 23:56 How is empathy different from people pleasing? 27:47 What is a narcissist and how do we appropriately use this term? 37:33 What does chronic indifference look like in a relationship?  

RESOURCES: www.leslievernick.com Quick Start Guide 1-800-799-SAFE (7233) Marital Challenges: Rachel describes her passiveness in her marriage, emphasizing the tension between maintaining peace at home and the public persona she had to project. She recounts instances of emotional and verbal abuse from her husband, including public humiliations and controlling behaviors. Custody Battle and Legal Struggles: Rachel talks about the difficult decisions she had to make regarding her children’s well-being and her work-life balance. She details her harrowing experiences with the legal system during her divorce and custody battle, highlighting the allegations and the temporary loss of contact with her children. Health and Recovery: Rachel discusses the impact of stress on her health, leading to hospital visits and a brief institutionalization. She shares her journey towards healing, emphasizing the role of her faith and community support in overcoming her challenges. Empowerment and Advice: Rachel reflects on the lessons learned from her struggles, discussing the importance of recognizing one's worth and the potential dangers of staying in destructive relationships. She offers advice to listeners who might be in similar situations, encouraging them to seek help and prioritize their safety and mental health. New Beginnings and Continued Challenges: Rachel discusses the ongoing challenges of co-parenting with an abusive ex-partner and the strategies she employs to maintain stability for her children. She explores the emotional impact of her journey on her relationship with her children. Spiritual Growth and Personal Insights: Rachel shares how her understanding of biblical teachings on marriage and divorce evolved, highlighting how new interpretations helped her find freedom from oppression. She discusses the role of her faith community and resources like the Conquer program in providing support and validation during her recovery.

RESOURCES: Dr. Alison Cook I Shouldn't Feel This Way "The Best of You" Podcast Lesllie's Quick Start Guide I. Story: Understanding Emotional Triggers A. Example of anger towards adult child B. Framing emotions: Is it about the other person, oneself, God, or circumstances? C. Importance of recognizing the source of emotions II. Three Practices for Emotional Health A. Naming Emotions 1. Recognizing and labeling feelings without judgment 2. Importance of self-awareness and emotional vocabulary B. Framing Emotions 1. Understanding the context and underlying causes of emotions 2. Examining personal responsibility and perspective C. Braving Action 1. Taking intentional steps based on emotional understanding 2. Balancing discernment and action in response to emotions III. Selfhood and Agency in Relationships A. Acknowledging personal needs and boundaries B. Exploring societal and Christian expectations for women C. Embracing selfhood as essential for healthy relationships IV. Recognizing Self-Gaslighting A. Identifying invalidation of personal experiences B. Cultivating self-trust and authenticity C. Partnering with God's discernment in navigating emotions V. Benefits for Spiritual and Psychological Growth A. Integration of faith and psychology in emotional healing B. Understanding the role of emotions and the body in spiritual life C. Tools for self-compassion and emotional resilience This episode delves into practical strategies for emotional discernment, emphasizing self-awareness, framing emotions, and taking intentional action. It highlights the importance of embracing selfhood and offers tools for self-compassion and growth, regardless of one's spiritual beliefs.

RESOURCES www.leslievernick.com Suicide and crisis hotline: 988 Challenges in Recognizing Unsafe Relationships Dismissing Own Feelings and Needs Fear of Confronting Truth About Relationship Dynamics Addressing Misguided Advice Forgiveness and Forgetting Importance of Remembering Past Actions for Setting Boundaries Illustration: Story of the Songwriter Behind "Amazing Grace" Understanding Need for Repentance and Growth Maintenance vs. Repair Work in Relationships Analogy: House Maintenance and Repair Necessity of Addressing Trust and Safety Issues Before Other Issues Recognizing Difference Between Maintenance Tasks and Repair Work Understanding Individual Capacity and Emotional Management Importance of Self-Awareness in Managing Emotions Recognizing Emotional Capacity and Limitations Analogies: Understanding Emotional Capacity Through Everyday Examples Taking Ownership of Personal Growth Individual Responsibility for Personal Development Importance of Prioritizing Self-Care and Emotional Well-Being Recognizing When Individual Work is Necessary Before Addressing Relationship Issues Seeking Help and Support Encouragement to Seek Professional Guidance and Support Highlighting Available Resources for Personal Growth and Relationship Support Empowerment to Prioritize Personal Growth and Safety in Relationships  

Setting Boundaries and Prioritizing Self-Care 1. Introduction to Boundaries Boundaries are essential for maintaining healthy relationships and self-respect. Understanding the importance of boundaries in various aspects of life. 2. Recognizing Boundary Violations Signs of boundary violations include feeling drained, disrespected, or overwhelmed. Identifying situations where boundaries are being crossed and acknowledging the need for change. 3. Establishing Boundaries The importance of clear communication when setting boundaries. Examples of effective boundary-setting phrases  4. Dealing with Criticism Addressing criticism that may arise when implementing boundaries. Seeking support from understanding individuals who respect your journey. 5. Respecting Yourself Embracing self-respect and understanding that boundaries are not selfish but necessary for personal growth. Recognizing and valuing your uniqueness and individual needs. 6. Knowing Yourself The importance of self-awareness in establishing and maintaining boundaries. Understanding your preferences, limitations, and values to make informed decisions.

RESOURCES: Find Joel Muddamalle's books and more at: www.muddamalle.com Find Leslie's books, programs, and more at: www.leslievernick.com  Find Lysa Terkeurst and the Therapy and Theology podcast: www.lysaterkeurst.com/therapy-and-theology  I. Introduction: Setting the Stage Acknowledging the complexity and sensitivity surrounding the issue of divorce and the Bible II. Interpreting Malachi 2:16 Analysis of the New King James Version's interpretation of Malachi 2:16 Emphasis on the importance of understanding cultural context and nuances in translation Addressing misconceptions and criticism regarding biblical interpretation III. Unpacking the Statement "God Hates Divorce" Clarification of the implications of a unilateral statement from God Discussion on the potential impact on individuals experiencing divorce Emphasis on the need for a nuanced understanding of biblical teachings IV. Marriage, Divorce, and Biblical Context Examination of Exodus 21 and implications for marriage and divorce Discussion on the complexity of marital relationships and divine understanding Exploration of the New Testament teachings on divorce, particularly Jesus' response to the Pharisees V. Understanding the Cultural and Historical Context Insights into the debate between the Hillel and Shammai camps regarding divorce Analysis of Jesus' response to the Pharisees and its cultural implications Consideration of Paul's teachings on divorce and remarriage VI. Pastoral and Ethical Implications Reflection on the pastoral responsibilities in addressing divorce and marriage issues Advocacy for seeking specialized help and guidance in dealing with complex marital situations Emphasis on the importance of theological honesty and discernment in interpreting scripture VII. Encouragement and Final Words Affirmation of God's love and care for individuals, particularly women Encouragement to uphold one's dignity and worth as children of God Call to discernment, prayer, and reliance on the Holy Spirit in understanding biblical truths.