The Exit Five CMO Podcast (Hosted by Dave Gerhardt)

#289 Strategy | Dave is joined by Sydney Sloan, Chief Marketing Officer at G2, where she’s leading the charge on integrating AI into marketing, rethinking team structures, and modernizing how B2B brands build trust. Sydney brings decades of experience from companies like Adobe, Alfresco, and Salesloft, and now oversees one of the largest software marketplaces in the world.Dave and Sydney cover:How to design events that truly drive pipeline, using frameworks like “Think, Feel, Do” to plan with purposeA smarter way to measure event ROI with Sydney’s “Revenue in the Room” approachHow AI is transforming the buyer journey and reshaping what modern marketing teams look likeAn episode that will leave you rethinking your marketing strategy, from the events you run to the org you build.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (03:08) - – The return of in-person events (06:08) - – Building community through smarter event design (08:08) - – Inside G2’s “AI in Action” roadshow (11:08) - – The “Think, Feel, Do” event framework (14:08) - – Why details make or break events (17:08) - – Measuring success with “Revenue in the Room” (20:08) - – Post-event follow-up that drives results (27:43) - – How AI is reshaping the buyer journey (43:43) - – Rethinking marketing orgs for the AI era Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#288 AI in Marketing | In this episode, Dave is joined by three B2B marketing leaders: Sara Ajemian, Head of Brand & Communications at SOCi, Jennifer Delevante-Moulen, CMO at Knak, and Tara Robertson, CMO at Bitly. Together they share real-world perspectives on how AI is actually shaping marketing teams today—what’s working, what’s not, and how leaders are adapting.Dave and the panel cover:The most overhyped AI use cases in B2B marketing (and where human nuance still wins)Real success stories, including building an AI-powered content research engine, scaling global localization, and using AI to make creative teams more data-drivenHow CMOs are personally using AI as a strategic thought partner for board prep, customer insights, and team coachingWhether you’re experimenting with new tools or figuring out how to bring AI into your strategy, this conversation gives a grounded look at what B2B marketing leaders are really doing today.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (03:08) - – Meet the panel: SOCi, Knak, Bitly (07:08) - – Has AI met or missed expectations? (11:53) - – The most overhyped AI use cases (15:08) - – Why human nuance still matters in personalization (20:08) - – The imposter syndrome of AI adoption (23:08) - – The power of AI with memory (25:48) - – Best AI use cases from the panel (31:43) - – Scaling global localization with AI (34:43) - – Training brand teams to be more data-driven (38:43) - – How CMOs personally use AI in their workflow (42:43) - – Using AI as a strategic thought partner (46:43) - – Coaching teams with AI feedback loops (48:43) - – The frustrations of iteration and tool updates (52:43) - – Is leadership pushing AI adoption? (56:43) - – Budgeting and building a modern AI-enabled tech stack (59:43) - – Final takeaways and closing Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#287 Brand Marketing | In this episode, Matt is joined by Amrita Gurney, a veteran B2B marketing leader who has scaled some of Canada’s fastest-growing startups and now works as a fractional CMO. At Float, she led bold offline campaigns, from billboards and buses to TV spots, that helped the company stand out against major banks and build lasting brand recall.Matt and Amrita cover:Why offline ads like billboards and transit campaigns are making a comeback in B2B marketingHow creative choices — bold colors, emotional messaging, and relatable personas — can make or break brand campaignsWhat B2B marketers should know about budget allocation, measuring recall, and balancing brand vs. performance marketingWhether you’re running your first brand campaign or rethinking your spend mix, this episode will give you fresh ideas on how to stand out in B2B marketing.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (03:08) - – Amrita’s background and career journey (04:28) - – Why Float invested in offline ads (06:08) - – Launching their first billboard campaign (08:08) - – Taking bold risks with creative (10:08) - – Human-centered messaging vs. product copy (12:08) - – Expanding into buses, subways, and airports (15:08) - – Testing (or not testing) creative concepts (16:08) - – What brand recall really means in B2B (18:08) - – Measuring lift from offline campaigns (22:43) - – Balancing brand vs. performance spend (24:43) - – Lessons from consumer marketing in B2B (26:43) - – How they chose cities and placements (29:43) - – Budget breakdown and allocation (33:43) - – Tracking TV ad performance (35:43) - – How long to run campaigns for impact (36:43) - – Advice for marketers considering offline ads (38:43) - – Closing thoughts and takeaways Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#286 Growth | In this episode, Dave is joined by Kevin White, Head of Marketing at Common Room, a leading customer intelligence platform for go-to-market teams. Kevin shares insights from his experience helping teams capture and act on digital breadcrumbs to optimize their marketing and sales efforts.Dave and Kevin cover:How to be a good marketer even when you're not the Subject Matter ExpertSignal-based marketing and how it is transforming the buyer’s journey by focusing on the right actions instead of just clicksB2B influencer marketing plays that workTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Kevin (06:17) - - How to Be Good At Marketing When You're Not a Subject Matter Expert (08:55) - - Why You Should Stay Close to Your Customer (16:14) - - How to Manage a Marketing Team with Limited Resources (18:33) - - Eliminating Ineffective Marketing Efforts to Drive Real Results (25:06) - - Signups and Demos Boost From LinkedIn (26:12) - - How to Attribute ROI in Multi-Platform Marketing (30:22) - - Creating Authentic and Valuable Content (35:01) - - Generating Pipeline with Economic Buyer Signals (36:42) - - Increasing Digital Touchpoints (40:40) - - How To Maximize Actionability, Volume, and Conversion Rate (42:26) - - LinkedIn Measurement Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#285 Creative Strategy | In this episode, Dave is joined by Pranav Piyush, Founder & CEO of Paramark, a measurement platform helping B2B and B2C companies run smarter marketing experiments. Pranav is known for turning strategy documents into repeatable creative processes that generate campaigns, ads, and content tied directly to a company’s story.Dave and Pranav cover:How to translate your company narrative into concrete marketing campaigns and creative hooks across channelsWhy creative output (not measurement) is the biggest bottleneck for most B2B marketing teams todayThe frameworks like category entry points, jobs-to-be-done, and behavioral psychology that help marketers spark fresh, testable campaign ideas month after monthYou can expect a practical, example-filled conversation on turning strategy into execution and building a creative engine that never runs dry.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro and audience roll call (05:08) - – Why narratives often get stuck in a Google Doc (08:08) - – Foundational docs you need before creating campaigns (13:08) - – Category entry points and jobs-to-be-done explained (17:08) - – How to feed company inputs into AI tools (23:08) - – Generating ad campaign ideas with real examples (25:08) - – Using analogies (like basketball) to explain complex concepts (29:43) - – Where AI falls short (and why human judgment matters) (32:43) - – Mining sales call transcripts for campaign hooks (36:43) - – Turning customer objections into marketing messages (40:43) - – Repurposing podcasts, presentations, and blog posts into new formats (44:43) - – Systemizing idea generation for repeatable output (48:43) - – Closing thoughts and audience Q&A Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#284 Brand | Dave sits down with Ari Yablok, Head of Brand at Island, to share his approach to creating a brand in the cybersecurity space. Ari shares his journey from agency life to leading the brand narrative at Island, where he helped build the concept of the "enterprise browser."Dave and Ari Cover:The key differences between category creation and strategic positioning, and why it matters for B2B marketersThe steps to building a brand story that resonates with both your internal team and your target audienceHow focusing on the last 20% of branding efforts can elevate your company above the competitionTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Ari (04:32) - - Rapidly Growing Enterprise Browser Company Secures $375M in Series D Funding (08:41) - - SEO Strategy vs Branding (14:08) - - How Brand is an Art and a Science (19:23) - - Challenges in Cybersecurity Branding (21:07) - - Early Stage Marketing (29:37) - - Cognitive Behavioral Branding (34:46) - - How Ari Manages Projects with the Brand Team (36:56) - - Comfortable vs. Uncomfortable Approaches to Brand Strategy (41:14) - - What Founders Really Want to Do (46:20) - - Balancing the Day-to-Day with Visionary Goals Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#283 Marketing Leadership | In this episode, Dave is joined by Sylvia Lepoidevin, CMO of Kandji, a leading platform for managing and securing Apple devices in the workplace. Sylvia shares her journey from employee #4 to CMO at Kandji, driving the company’s growth to a $850M valuation. She talks about her experience building efficient marketing teams, leveraging AI, and creating impactful brand experiences.Dave and Sylvia cover:How AI is reshaping marketing roles and enabling smaller, more efficient teamsStrategies for internal marketing that align and energize cross-functional teamsProduct launches and creative campaigns for brand-driven growthTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Sylvia (04:56) - - From Marketing Hire to CMO (09:41) - - Understanding Equity and Financial Outcomes (12:23) - - Wealth and Career Growth (15:03) - - Why It’s Important to Have a Clear Career Narrative (19:55) - - Mastering Storytelling in Team Meetings (23:13) - - How to Engage Your Team (23:49) - - Leveraging Feedback Loops to Build a Successful Team (30:55) - - AI Is Enabling Smaller, More Efficient Teams (34:38) - - AI’s Impact on Marketing (37:38) - - How Kandji Is Expanding Their Team (40:29) - - Achieving 10x Growth Through Product-Led Strategies (44:09) - - Leveraging Competitor and Apple-Specific Keywords (47:33) - - Minimizing Hiring Risk: Test Roles First Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#282 CRO | Matt is joined by Haley Carpenter, founder of Chirpy, a conversion rate optimization agency. Haley has nearly a decade of CRO experience across agency, SaaS, and eCommerce, and she’s known for helping brands use research and testing to make smarter marketing decisions.Matt and Haley cover:Why CRO isn’t just A/B testing, and how research should guide every optimization effortHow to approach CRO when you don’t have massive website traffic, including scrappy testing methods and toolsThe role of messaging, value props, and social proof in driving higher conversions (and where B2B often lags behind DTC)By the end, you’ll have a clearer picture of how to approach CRO as a system, not just a set of tests.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (02:08) - – Who is Haley Carpenter (03:08) - – What CRO really means (06:08) - – Research vs. testing explained (10:08) - – Where to start CRO on a website (13:08) - – Testing with limited traffic (17:08) - – Using data for smarter decisions (20:08) - – Building a culture of testing (24:08) - – How to report CRO results (29:08) - – Scrappy tools: Clarity & Hotjar (34:43) - – What B2B can learn from DTC (38:43) - – Why messaging matters more than features (42:43) - – The power of social proof (48:43) - – Common blockers to CRO success (50:43) - – A surprising test result (+7% sales) (52:43) - – Vanity metrics vs. real business outcomes (56:43) - – Closing thoughts Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#281 Growth | In this episode, Dave is joined by Chris Walker, CEO of Passetto, and a prominent voice on LinkedIn, where he has been pushing the boundaries of B2B marketing for years. Chris shares actionable insights and tactics on social media strategy, what has changed in marketing over the last five years, and how to build effective feedback loops and flywheels.Dave and Chris also cover:The future of GTM and the evolving role of the CMOWhy sustainable growth is the only path forwardThe transformative role AI will play in B2B marketingTimestamps(00:53) - - Intro to Chris Walker (03:48) - - Managing different perspectives on social media (08:20) - - The ROI of podcasts and social media engagement (13:43) - - Why real-time feedback loops are valuable (19:18) - - Shifting from "growth at all costs" to sustainable growth (25:08) - - Rethinking marketing measurement and ROI (32:53) - - Splitting marketing teams: strategy vs. pipeline creation (39:58) - - How AI is reshaping B2B marketing teams (48:03) - - Chris’s approach to creativity and focus (52:48) - - Predictions for the future of B2B marketing (54:26) - - Outro Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#280 Strategy | In this episode, Dave is joined by Gurdeep Dhillon, CMO of Contentstack. Gurdeep has built an impressive career leading marketing at some of the biggest names in enterprise software, from SAP to Adobe, Marketo to Zoura. Now at Content Stack, he's challenging conventional B2B marketing wisdom in rethinking how enterprise companies should approach demand generation and brand building. In this conversation, Dave and Gurdeep dive deep into why marketing is ultimately a game of memory and reputation, not just lead generation.Dave and Gurdeep cover:The role of Demand Gen in 2025 (and what's changed)Why Brand and Reputation should be prioritized over Lead GenerationProven strategies to create urgency and close sales deals in enterprise marketsA glimpse into ContentStack’s team structure and how they plan for growthTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Gurdeep (06:50) - - Brand and Audience Marketing (08:02) - - How the Role of Demand Gen is Changing (12:12) - - Brand and Reputation > Lead Generation (17:02) - - How Contentstack is Doing Demand Gen (19:40) - - How to Create Urgency to Win Sales Deals (21:21) - - Making a Good Offer in B2B Marketing (22:37) - - Why Being Bold and Taking Risks is Important in Marketing (28:46) - - Selling Your Vision to Leadership (31:27) - - How Contentstack Has Over 10,000 Global ICP Accounts (36:10) - - Team Structure at Contentstack (41:08) - - Running Marketing and Operating a High-Performing Team (43:24) - - Setting Effective Annual Plans (45:39) - - AI’s Role in Marketing (49:13) - - Closing Thoughts Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#279 Content Strategy | In this episode, Dave joins Holly Xiao from HeyGen for an unfiltered conversation about where AI and video marketing are headed. Holly leads B2B marketing at HeyGen, an AI-powered video platform, and she sat down with Dave to dig into what’s working (and what’s not) when it comes to creating content that actually connects.This recording is from a discussion Dave and Holly did with the AI Marketing Alliance --> https://www.aimarketingalliance.com/Dave and Holly cover:Why video hits differently in B2B and how to make yours stand out without blowing your budgetHow AI is reshaping the content production cycle and freeing up marketers to focus on storytellingWhy early adoption matters, and how small teams can use AI to punch above their weightYou can expect a candid, practical conversation about how to scale content, stay relevant, and make the most of AI.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (01:26) - – Why this conversation matters (02:43) - – AI is making marketing exciting again (03:52) - – Dave’s early bet on video (05:52) - – How LinkedIn video exploded (07:09) - – ROI vs. brand building (08:24) - – From connection to conversion (10:09) - – Why video feels more human (12:15) - – “Maybe your videos suck” (14:21) - – The problem with corporate videos (16:09) - – The value of repetition and reps (18:33) - – How AI speeds up content cycles (20:50) - – Real AI tools Dave is using (22:27) - – Decks, data, and automation (24:52) - – Why creativity still wins (27:14) - – The return of the creative CMO (31:03) - – Personalized content at scale (33:02) - – AI vs. in-person experiences (35:44) - – Do audiences care if it’s AI? (38:30) - – What makes an AI video work (41:07) - – Using AI to test and scale video (43:48) - – What small teams should do first (47:26) - – Final advice: be an early adopter Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#278 Content | In this episode, Dave brings together five B2B marketers who aren’t just talking about AI, they’re actually using it to change how their teams work. Each finalist from the Exit Five x Walnut AI Sessions takes the (virtual) stage to demo their workflow, share results, and answer questions from the judges.Here’s what you’ll hear:Jillian Hoefer’s “content concierge” GPT trained on proprietary research to surface stats, quotes, and data for blogs, sales decks, and thought leadershipJake Heap’s workflow using Meshy + VEO 3 to turn a simple mascot into animated 3D brand characters in minutesJessica Lytle’s no-code ROI calculator built in Lovable that sales reps now run live on calls to build business casesUgi Djuric’s high-volume content engine that scrapes industry news and sales call transcripts, then uses AI to summarize, generate content ideas, and even score leadsAnton Ruis’ AI-powered buyer brief builder that pulls real-time economic data and tailors sales messaging to specific personasIt’s part workshop, part competition, and packed with creative, tactical ways to put AI to work in B2B marketing today.Timestamps(00:00) - – Dave kicks off in a tux (02:43) - – Record-breaking registrations (03:21) - – Meet the judges: Benny & Jess (08:09) - – Jillian’s “victim of repurposing” intro (08:49) - – Building a “content concierge” GPT from research data (10:13) - – Injecting stats + quotes into blogs and decks (14:09) - – How one report fueled 9+ months of content (19:09) - – Jake on bringing AI into marketing ops (20:32) - – Turning a mascot into a 3D character with Meshy (21:17) - – Animating it in VEO 3 (no designer needed) (24:32) - – Cutting animation time from weeks to minutes (30:21) - – Jessica builds a no-code ROI calculator in Lovable (33:30) - – AEs use it live on sales calls (34:14) - – Adding benchmarks + transparency to ROI math (41:32) - – Ugi’s AI engine scrapes + summarizes industry news (43:49) - – Training custom GPTs on expert insights (50:29) - – Anton’s real-time buyer briefs from economic data (53:04) - – Tailoring briefs for CROs, enablement, PMMs (56:48) - – Judges crown the winning use case + Dave’s wrap-up Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#277 Growth | Dave is joined by Emma Robinson, Head of B2B Marketing at Canva, and Kristine Segrist, VP of Consumer Marketing at Canva. Together, Emma and Kristine lead the teams driving Canva’s growth across both enterprise and consumer audiences, helping the company scale into a platform now used by over 95% of the Fortune 500.Dave, Emma, and Kristine cover:How Canva balances brand-building with pipeline accountability, and why they view brand investment as long-term growth.The playbook Canva uses to turn bottom-up adoption into enterprise deals, including how product signals guide upsell and expansion.How their team structure, data science investments, and creative bets (like the Love Your Work campaign) work together to scale B2B marketing without losing Canva’s approachable brand identity.This episode offers a practical look at how one of the world’s most recognizable platforms approaches B2B growth.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (03:08) - – Canva’s marketing org structure (06:08) - – Blurring B2B and B2C (11:08) - – How Canva measures marketing impact (16:08) - – Turning free users into enterprise deals (21:08) - – Data science’s role in marketing (24:08) - – Balancing brand bets with ROI (30:43) - – Inside the “Love Your Work” campaign (37:43) - – How Canva executes large campaigns (41:43) - – Building enterprise credibility and trust (44:43) - – FedEx case study on brand governance (48:43) - – Lessons from Google and Meta (52:43) - – Why creativity is a marketing superpower (54:43) - – Closing thoughts Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#276 Career Growth | Dave is joined by Kady Srinivasan, CMO at You.com, an AI-first company building infrastructure for enterprise agents. Kady has led marketing at some of the world’s most recognizable companies, including Dropbox, Klaviyo, and Lightspeed, where she scaled teams, drove massive revenue growth, and navigated ICP pivots. Now, she’s bringing that experience into the fast-changing world of AI.Dave and Kady cover:How to evolve as a CMO across industries, personas, and business modelsThe three core systems CMOs need to scale teams and drive alignmentHow AI is reshaping marketing roles, workflows, and the skills future CMOs will needYou’ll walk away with lessons you can apply to your own career, no matter what market or role you’re in.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (02:23) - – From engineer to reluctant marketer (04:57) - – Gaming years and “coolest mom” cred (07:12) - – The story behind You.com’s domain (08:51) - – Why she jumped into AI (11:20) - – Reinventing yourself as a CMO (13:20) - – Fundamentals that never change in marketing (15:33) - – Aligning marketing with company strategy (18:44) - – Pivoting the ICP at Lightspeed (21:46) - – Lessons on cross-functional alignment (24:28) - – Letting go to grow as a leader (27:13) - – Systems every CMO should set up (34:03) - – Why no single playbook works (35:44) - – How AI is reshaping marketing roles (50:24) - – Building an AI-first marketing org and closing thoughts Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#275 LinkedIn Strategy | In this episode, Dave is joined by Brad Zomick, a B2B marketing consultant and host who has helped founders and executives build their presence on LinkedIn. Together they break down why a strong LinkedIn strategy is no longer optional for founders, it’s one of the most effective growth levers in B2B today.Dave and Brad cover:Why LinkedIn is still the best channel for founders to build authority, attract talent, and connect with customersHow to turn everyday founder communications into high-impact LinkedIn contentThe unexpected ROI of founder-led content, from recruiting and partnerships to real-time message testingIf you’ve been wondering how to turn LinkedIn into a real growth engine for your brand, this episode is your blueprint.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (03:08) - – Early days of LinkedIn (08:38) - – Building Drift with founder brand (14:38) - – Why every founder needs LinkedIn (18:38) - – The hidden ROI of posting (27:13) - – Dave’s personal posting system (30:43) - – How to never run out of content (34:43) - – Unexpected benefits of being visible (39:13) - – Is it too late to start? (42:13) - – Who inspires Dave today (44:28) - – What’s next for Exit Five (46:13) - – Closing thoughts Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#274 Growth | In this episode, Dave is joined by Sean Lane, Founding Partner at BeaconGTM and RevOps expert, to talk about scaling RevOps in B2B. With over a decade of experience at Drift and other B2B SaaS companies, Sean shares actionable tips for marketers looking to align operations with business goals.Dave and Sean cover:How to build alignment between sales, marketing, and opsWhy early-stage companies must align operational complexity with their growth maturityHow continuous planning helps marketing and ops teams stay agile as business challenges come upTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Sean (06:31) - - Going From Founder Led Sales to Having A Professional GTM (09:12) - - How Ops Bridges Business Goals (13:02) - - How To Align Sales, Marketing, and Operations (17:11) - - Why You Need A Clear Marketing Strategy (19:37) - - How To Build A Partnership Between Marketing and Operations (26:01) - - Guidelines for long term vs short term budgeting and planning (31:39) - - Marketing’s Role At The Bottom Of The Funnel (36:34) - - How To Get “Hand-raisers” For Your Product In The Customer Journey (40:26) - - Do Engaged Accounts Measure The Success Of Marketing? (42:16) - - Sean’s Podcast ROI (44:32) - - AI Use Cases In Ops (49:34) - - How To Hire A Good Ops Person (53:02) - - Closing Remarks Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#273 Leadership | Matt is joined by Rachel Weeks, a veteran B2B marketing leader with over 20 years of experience guiding companies through acquisitions, layoffs, and tech disruption. Rachel has led both corporate and field marketing teams and is passionate about recognition-driven team cultures that retain and empower top talent.Matt and Rachel cover:How to build a recognition strategy that actually improves retention (without needing a big budget or fancy platform)Why employee motivation dips during times of stress, layoffs, or AI disruption and what great leaders do differentlyThe role of marketing in internal culture: from branding the program to building peer-driven engagementWhether you’re managing a small team or leading an entire department, this episode is packed with practical insights to help you build a culture where marketers feel valued, motivated, and ready to stay.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (03:08) - – Rachel’s background and leadership lens (05:38) - – What actually makes a recognition program work (08:08) - – How marketing supports internal culture building (11:08) - – Recognition during org changes, stress, and funding rounds (14:08) - – The impact of AI on morale and motivation (17:38) - – What happens when recognition disappears (19:38) - – The “10 minutes by Friday” habit (22:08) - – Easy, no-budget ways to recognize team members (25:08) - – Performance-driven vs. values-driven recognition (30:13) - – Monetary vs. non-monetary rewards (and what people really want) (33:43) - – Recognition vs. pay raises: what the data says (37:43) - – Why people leave even when they’re paid well (41:43) - – How to ask for (and give) better feedback (46:43) - – Using AI to create space for strategic work (53:43) - – Final thoughts on leadership, retention, and culture Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#272 Presentation Skills | Matt is joined by Vincent Pierri, a speaking coach who helps executives and marketers craft compelling, high-stakes talks. With a background as a pastor and public communicator, Vincent has developed a repeatable framework that helps B2B marketers improve how they show up in front of a room, whether it’s a conference keynote, a boardroom pitch, or a weekly team update.Matt and Vincent cover:The 4-part framework behind talks that stick: Tension, Trust, Teaching, TakeawayHow to pick the right topic for your talk (and avoid cramming in too much)Why authenticity and simplicity matter more than slide design, and how to keep your delivery grounded and effectiveWhether you’re prepping for Inbound, Exit Five’s Drive, or just your next big internal presentation, this episode will help you nail the structure and mindset behind a talk that resonates.Timestamps(00:00) - - Intro (02:18) - - Vincent’s unusual path to speaking coach (06:08) - - Why marketers need this framework (not just keynote speakers) (08:48) - - The first step: pick one real person you want to help (11:58) - - How to narrow your talk down from too many ideas (15:08) - - The 4-part structure: Tension, Trust, Teaching, Takeaway (17:58) - - Why your talk should start with a problem (not your points) (19:33) - - How to build trust by showing vulnerability (22:38) - - The 3 Cs: Catchy one-liner, Creative analogy, Concrete example (29:43) - - How to make your points memorable (and not Googleable) (32:48) - - Why authenticity beats sounding “smart” (34:58) - - What a strong closing takeaway looks like (38:13) - - When (and how) to start practicing your delivery (39:28) - - Why you should build your talk before your deck (41:53) - - How many slides is too many? (45:43) - - Connecting without slides: lessons from the pulpit (47:58) - - Final advice for marketers prepping talks this fall Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#271 GTM Engineering | In this episode, Dave is joined by John Short, CEO of Compound Growth Marketing, along with Cammy Keiler, Justin Johnson, and Dan Guenet. Together, they break down the rise of GTM engineering, what it is, how it differs from RevOps, and why B2B teams are investing in it.Dave and the crew cover:The core difference between RevOps and GTM engineering (and why the latter is more focused on building than just integrating)Real GTM engineering use cases, from AI-powered sales tools to mid-funnel campaigns that go way beyond ebooksHow GTM engineers are driving higher revenue per employee and why this role should be one of your first five marketing hiresWhether you’re hiring or just GTM-curious, you’ll leave this episode with a clear definition of the role, real-world examples, and tactical ways GTM engineers drive impact.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (02:53) - – Why this topic resonated with 1,200+ registrants (05:08) - – What even is **GTM engineering? (07:23) - – GTM engineering vs. RevOps vs. Marketing Ops (10:38) - – How AI is driving this role forward (13:48) - – Real examples: ABM campaigns, mid-funnel tools, sales call analysis (18:58) - – Tools GTM engineers are using today (Clay, Unify, GPTs) (22:23) - – Role of GTM engineering in revenue per employee (26:38) - – How GTM engineers enable sales + reduce headcount (30:53) - – What Dan actually does all day as a GTM engineer (35:43) - – Custom GPTs for sales and marketing teams (38:58) - – What MCP servers are (and why they matter) (43:28) - – Claude, Gamma, and AI-powered content systems (46:13) - – Why this isn’t just PLG (or ABM, or RevOps) (50:03) - – When to hire a GTM engineer (52:43) - – Big feelings about the role (and why they exist) (54:53) - – Closing thoughts + what to take away Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#270 Strategy | Dave is joined by Holly Xiao, Head of B2B Marketing at HeyGen, an AI video generation platform that helps teams produce personalized, high-quality content, fast. Holly has led marketing at high-growth startups and now runs the enterprise GTM motion at HeyGen, where she blends strategy, creative execution, and AI-powered workflows to reach modern B2B buyers.Dave and Holly cover:The 4 channels her lean team is betting on to drive enterprise pipeline (and what’s not working anymore)How B2B marketers are using AI video for event marketing, sales enablement, onboarding, and beyondWhy SEO is falling short and how HeyGen is shifting focus to webinars, events, and YouTube insteadIf you’re figuring out how to use AI in your marketing or just trying to do more with less, this one’s full of practical ideas to help you think differently about team structure, channels, and strategy.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (03:08) - – Holly’s nonlinear path to marketing (06:08) - – Getting started in marketing ops (08:08) - – Why she joined an AI startup (10:08) - – How HeyGen’s marketing org works (13:08) - – PLG vs SLG: Key differences (15:08) - – The 4 channels driving pipeline (17:08) - – What’s working: Events + webinars (19:08) - – Booth strategy that stands out (23:43) - – Brand vs demand events (25:43) - – Building community and user events (27:13) - – SEO is declining. Now what? (29:43) - – Running marketing in 2-month sprints (32:43) - – Aligning product and marketing cadence (34:43) - – Her daily AI tools (36:13) - – ChatGPT vs Gemini workflows (37:43) - – Real AI video use cases (39:43) - – Personalized event promos with avatars (40:43) - – Support, training, and onboarding videos (41:43) - – Fortune telling and music videos?! (42:43) - – Why AI won’t replace marketers Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more