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Lessons From The Game Podcast
Hosted by Gurthro Steenkamp and Ben Pegna, this podcast dives into performance, mindset, and resilience. With insights from athletes, coaches, and leaders, we explore the lessons rugby teaches about success—both on and off the field.
🎙 COMING SOON 20 FEBRUARY
Perfect for rugby enthusiasts, coaches, and anyone seeking inspiration to elevate their game and life.
Hosted by Gurthro Steenkamp and Ben Pegna, this podcast dives into performance, mindset, and resilience. With insights from athletes, coaches, and leaders, we explore the lessons rugby teaches about success—both on and off the field.
🎙 COMING SOON 20 FEBRUARY
Perfect for rugby enthusiasts, coaches, and anyone seeking inspiration to elevate their game and life.
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In this episode, Andrew Trimble shares what it took for Ireland to finally beat the All Blacks in Chicago 2016.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecFrom the belief built under Joe Schmidt to the leadership of Sexton & Rory Best, Trimble opens up about the preparation, pressure, and defining moments that changed Irish rugby forever.A must-listen for rugby fans and players ahead of another epic Ireland-All Blacks clash.Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkamp
All Blacks legend Conrad Smith breaks down the habits behind sustained success: shared leadership, role clarity, reading the game, and handling World Cup pressure. He also opens up about life after rugby and his work supporting player welfare and purpose. Essential listening for players, coaches, and anyone who leads teams.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecFollow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkamp
South African rugby trailblazer Babalwa Latsha reveals how she approaches the scrum as a mind game, not just a battle of strength.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Lessons From The Game Community - https://www.skool.com/lessons-from-the-game-7496/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecShe dives into:• The mindset and technique behind women’s rugby• How role models like Beast Mtawarira and Serena Williams shaped her• The mental toughness it takes to recover from injury and stay grounded in purpose.Hosted by Coach Gurthro Steenkamp and Ben Pegna on Lessons From The Game.Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
Charlie Hodgson, one of England’s most respected fly-halves, joins Lessons from the Game to share the mindset that shaped his rugby journey — from moments of pressure and injury to personal growth and success beyond the field.📲 Follow us for more rugby content:📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Lessons From The Game Community - https://www.skool.com/lessons-from-the-game-7496/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecIn this honest and insightful conversation with Gurthro Steenkamp and Ben Pegna, Charlie opens up about:The power of reflection and reframing setbacks into growthManaging performance anxiety and pressure in elite rugbyThe “Effort Error vs Skill Error” philosophy that built accountability and trust at SaracensFinding identity and purpose after professional rugbyHow mindset and self-awareness can redefine success in sport and lifeA masterclass in resilience, perspective, and personal evolution from one of rugby’s most thoughtful playmakers.🎙️ Hosted by Gurthro Steenkamp & Ben Pegna — Lessons from the Game
It’s not about systems — it’s about players.Alan Zondagh shares the mindset behind decades of coaching success: turning “Dopeys” into internationals. With AB Zondagh, he unpacks the Ball Man concept, the Rugby Speedometer, and the balance between structure and creativity in modern attack.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Lessons From The Game Community - https://www.skool.com/lessons-from-the-game-7496/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecA must-listen for coaches who want to build smarter, braver, more skillful players — not just patterns.🎯 Key TakeawaysGreat coaching = developing better decision-makersThe Ball Man model for faster, instinctive attackWhy bravery and patience matter in skill acquisitionThe Speed-Space-Connection framework explainedFollow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
From a 53m Lions series-winner in 2009 to repeating the fairytale in 2021, Morne Steyn breaks down how composure is trained, not born. We unpack the Bulls brotherhood, why today’s kickers struggle with consistency, how screens and over-structure affect vision, and what real “player-led” standards look like.📩 Join Lessons From The Game Community - https://www.skool.com/lessons-from-the-game-7496/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecMorne Steyn is a Springbok legend, three-time Super Rugby champion (Bulls), Top 14 winner (Stade Français), and the definition of clutch. Now a kicking consultant (Lions), entrepreneur, and founder of the MS10 clinics/foundation.What you’ll learnPressure mastery: routines, “five-for-five” finish rule, and training under consequence.Consistency vs. talent: why 80% is the true pro benchmark for goal-kickers.Vision & decision-making: being 1–2 phases ahead; kicking first, then playing.Bulls DNA: family culture, hard sessions, and why extra work matters.Modern game truths: GPS trade-offs, over-coaching, and screen time’s impact on awareness.Adapting abroad: language, culture, and leading as a 10 in France.Chapters00:00 The Journey of Mournay Steyn02:45 Lessons from Rugby: Discipline and Hard Work06:01 Iconic Moments: The 2009 British and Irish Lions Series08:49 Reflections on a Successful Career11:46 The Bulls Family: Team Spirit and Success15:01 The Importance of Hard Work and Training18:02 The Mindset of a Kicker: Pressure and Performance20:52 The Evolution of Goal Kicking in Rugby24:03 Adapting to Change: Playing in France27:04 Giving Back: Coaching and Mentoring the Next Generation30:10 The Future of Rugby: Insights and AdviceFollow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
Why doesn’t a great training week show up on Saturday? Coach G and Ben break down the transfer gap—training design that mirrors the game, guided discovery vs over-coaching, player ownership and reviews, managing mental load, and simple lifestyle wins (sleep, hydration). We share pro & amateur case studies and tease a masterclass to turn prep into performance.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Lessons From The Game Community - https://www.skool.com/lessons-from-the-game-7496/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecFollow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
Former player Stef Evans joins Gurthro Steenkamp and Ben Begna on Lessons from the Game to share her powerful journey — from early rejection in sport to becoming a driving force for women’s rugby worldwide.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Lessons From The Game Community - https://www.skool.com/lessons-from-the-game-7496/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecFounder of Ragged RFC and the I Care Movement, Stef opens up about inclusion, inequality, entrepreneurship, and the evolution of women’s rugby.A conversation about resilience, belonging, and proving the world wrong.Chapters00:00 Celebrating Women's Rugby Achievements02:57 The Evolution of Women's Rugby05:59 Personal Journeys in Rugby09:02 The Impact of Inclusivity in Rugby12:11 Challenges Faced by Female Rugby Players14:51 The Role of Community and Support18:10 Transitioning from Player to Coach21:02 The Future of Women's Rugby23:58 Lessons Learned from the GameFollow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
Ali Williams reflects with Gurthro Steenkamp and Ben Pegna on the darkest times of his career — the injuries, benchings, and mistakes that nearly broke him — and the lessons he learned about resilience, vulnerability, and putting the team before yourself.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Lessons From The Game Community - https://www.skool.com/lessons-from-the-game-7496/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecA raw and powerful episode for any player, coach, or fan who wants to understand what it really takes to succeed at the top level of rugby.Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
From Loftus ball boy to Springbok, Dan Van Zyl’s story is about resilience, transition, and mentorship. He opens up about juggling cricket and rugby, the shift to professionalism, and how he’s now shaping young players through Rugby Academy Ireland. A must-listen for players, coaches, and anyone chasing growth in rugby and life.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Lessons From The Game Community - https://www.skool.com/lessons-from-the-game-7496/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecChapters00:00 The Journey of a Multi-Sport Athlete04:42 Lessons from the Game: Sharing Knowledge06:51 Roots in Rugby and Cricket12:30 Mindset and Individual Performance16:31 Transitioning to Professional Rugby24:26 The Shift to Professionalism in Rugby28:37 Learning from Experience: The Springbok Journey36:23 Building Resilience in Young Players42:30 The Role of the Dirt Tracker47:25 Attributes for Success in Rugby52:22 Coaching and Mentorship in Ireland01:05:31 Giving Back: The Mission of Rugby Academy IrelandFollow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
Contact & collision specialist Richie Gray shares why the best coaches “coach people, not players,” and how to create accurate aggression—the controlled edge that wins tackles and breakdowns. We dig into earning trust in superstar environments, keeping messages simple under fatigue, individualizing coaching inside a team, Fiji’s shared-vision culture, and drill-based training that sharpens technique while lowering injury risk. Hosted by Gurthro “Coach G” Steenkamp & Ben Pegna.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Lessons From The Game Community - https://www.skool.com/lessons-from-the-game-7496/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecFollow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
Dan Norton – the all-time leading try scorer in World Rugby Sevens and a two-time Olympian – joins Lessons from the Game to share the mindset, habits, and lessons that kept him at the top for over 14 years.📩 Join Lessons From The Game Community - https://www.skool.com/lessons-from-the-game-7496/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecIn this powerful conversation with Gurthro Steenkamp and Ben Pegna, Dan opens up about:The rivalries that pushed him to new heights 🏉How he stayed consistent, fit, and fast across more than a decade of elite rugbyThe importance of self-analysis and mental resilience in high performanceInsights for young players: scanning, decision-making & becoming a student of the gameThe transition from rugby to life after sport in Dubai and finding a new identityChapters00:00 The Journey of a Rugby Legend06:00 Mental Resilience in High-Pressure Situations11:58 The Evolution of Sevens Rugby18:11 Lessons from the Game: Skills and Strategies24:04 The Impact of COVID-19 on Rugby Careers29:51 Transitioning from Player to Coach35:46 Reflections on Identity and Legacy42:13 The Future of Sevens Rugby in the UK48:09 Memorable Moments and Experiences in Rugby54:01 Final Thoughts and Advice for Aspiring PlayersWhether you’re a player chasing improvement, a coach building teams, or a fan of rugby’s most electric athletes, this episode is packed with lessons on performance, mindset, and resilience.Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
You’re only as good as your last game. In this short-form episode, Coach G and Ben unpack why process beats panic, how to crush negative head talk, and the reset tool pros use: Step Back → Step Up → Step Back In.📩 Join Lessons From The Game Community - https://www.skool.com/lessons-from-the-game-7496/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecFollow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
Brad Barritt unpacks how Saracens built the Wolfpack culture, why resilience is the ultimate competitive edge, and how shared leadership empowered stars like Owen Farrell and Maro Itoje. He also details Brendan Venter’s “17% of your time” philosophy, the stonecutter mindset behind bouncing back from setbacks, and his transition from elite rugby into Tikitonga Coffee, fintech and venture capital.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecPodcast Community - https://www.skool.com/lessons-from-the-game-7496/about ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecPerfect for players, coaches, and leaders who want practical takeaways on culture, mindset, and performance.Chapters00:00 The Journey of Resilience03:06 Building a Winning Culture at Saracens05:57 The Importance of Leadership and Team Dynamics09:00 The Wolf Pack Mentality11:56 Psychology of Success and Overcoming Setbacks15:01 The Role of Individual Identity in Team Success18:08 Shared Leadership and Genuine Leadership Traits20:48 The Evolution of Saracens' Playing Style24:03 The Stone Cutter Analogy and Its Impact30:11 The Journey to Success32:47 Preparing for Life After Rugby34:47 Building a Coffee Brand38:05 Transitioning from Player to Entrepreneur42:34 Resilience in the Face of Adversity49:30 The Meaning of Representing England54:53 Reflections on Injuries and Team Spirit📲 Follow us for more rugby content:Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
Heading back to school or joining a new team can be challenging—especially for young rugby players. In this episode, Coach G and Ben Pegna break down how to build confidence, make a strong impression, and find your place both on and off the field. Packed with lessons for players, coaches, and parents.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📲 Follow us for more rugby content:Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
Attack, Attack, Attack.This week on Lessons From The Game, Gurthro Steenkamp & Ben Pegna welcome a special father-son duo: Alan Zondagh, one of rugby’s most respected coaching minds, and AB Zondagh, a progressive attack coach with experience at the Sharks, Toulouse, Scotland, and Lyon.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecThey dive into:Why attacking flair is vital in modern rugbyThe Zondaghs’ philosophy of Speed, Space & ConnectionCoaching players to think, adapt, and create under pressureStories from Saracens, Western Province, and the SpringboksTheir new book: Attack, Attack, AttackAn inspiring episode for players and coaches who want to bring back creativity and courage into rugby.📲 Follow us for more rugby content:Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
The Springboks vs the All Blacks – rugby’s ultimate rivalry.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecIn this episode, Gurthro Steenkamp and Ben Pegna explore what it takes to face the All Blacks in their own backyard, leadership lessons from Siya Kolisi and Jesse Kriel, and why controlling the controllables matters more than the hype.Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
In this episode of Lessons From The Game, we sit down with JJ van der Mescht, the towering South African lock now making waves at Northampton Saints. From his days as a multi-sport schoolboy in Durban, to a headline move to France with Stade Français, JJ shares how he turned doubts about his size into fuel for success.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecWe unpack his journey of resilience, mental strength, and belief, his transformation from being labelled “overweight” to becoming a dominant force in the scrum, and how he balances professional rugby with coaching and building his real estate business.This is a powerful conversation for young props, locks, and coaches looking to learn what it takes to dominate on and off the field.Chapters00:00 The Journey of JJ van der Meest05:05 Belief and Self-Confidence in Rugby11:34 The Importance of Pre-Season Training17:45 Multi-Sport Background and Its Impact23:26 Navigating the Path to Professional Rugby29:10 Experiences in South African Rugby32:24 Transitioning to Stade Francais36:31 The Move to Northampton Saints41:51 Mental Health and Balancing Life47:19 Setting Goals and Improving Skills52:09 Future Aspirations Beyond RugbyFollow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna
In this short-form episode of Lessons from the Game, former Springbok captain Corné Krige shares the lessons that shaped his journey as a leader.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecFrom the importance of discipline to leading South Africa through one of rugby’s toughest transitional eras, Corné reflects on:The life-changing influence of Nelson Mandela.Why discipline is the foundation of success on and off the field.How being “too small” forced him to play with unmatched aggression.The leadership values that carried him through the hardest moments.Corné’s story goes beyond rugby — it’s about resilience, values, and leadership that apply in sport, business, and life.🎧 Listen now and get inspired by one of South Africa’s most courageous leaders.Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna#Rugby #Springboks #Leadership #Discipline #NelsonMandela #LessonsFromTheGame
This week on Lessons From The Game, Coach G and Ben Pegna are joined by rugby super-agent Damien Dussault. From his start as a journalist to representing players worldwide, Damien has seen the game from every angle.📩 Join Coach G’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/coach-g-1708/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaec📩 Join Coach Ben’s Free Community - https://www.skool.com/bens-group-3618/about?ref=2aa34cec096e4503a6e179cc75caaaecWe dive into:What players need to know about agentsThe mindset differences between good and great playersThe reality of French rugby and Top 14 lifeStories of resilience, setbacks, and bouncing backChapters00:00 The Journey of a Rugby Agent06:18 Mindset Over Contracts19:59 Navigating the Rugby Landscape25:57 The Role of an Agent36:11 Cultural Adaptation in Rugby49:09 The Allure of Top 14 Rugby56:27 Misconceptions About French Rugby01:03:43 The Human Side of Being an Agent💡 A must-listen for players, coaches, and anyone passionate about rugby.Damien On Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/damiendussault/📲 Follow us for more rugby content:Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsfromthegamepodcastFollow Coach G on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ggsteenkampFollow Ben on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/benpegna




