The Mormon Renegade Podcast

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   There are some things in Mormonism that are just plain fun to talk about, debate on and think about. One of those topics is Book of Mormon Geography ideas and theories. Meaning where did the events in the Book of Mormon take place. Now while there are many ideas there are really two that seem to draw the most attention one is the Meso-American Model and the other is the Heartland Model. Today’s episode is all about the Heartland Model, and when talking about the Heartland one man stands above all others in that field, his name is Rod Meldrum and lucky for us he agreed to come on the podcast and have a conversation about the Heartland Model. The results are four and half of evidence ranging from Covenants to descriptions from the Book of Mormon its self, to physical evidence, things Joseph Smith has said, and finally to ceremonial structures in the Heartland of America that if you have been endowed should remind of you a few things. Now while you can certainly get a lot from this episode by just listening, I strongly encourage you to head over to the Mormon Renegade Channel at Rumble so you can see all the pictures and slides. Get ready for an absolutely epic mind blowing conversation. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   One of the things we all need as disciples of Christ is fellowship with others. This isn’t only because we want someone else to hangout with but because each of has a unique story to tell. One of the things that is so vitally important is to hear from others is how they got to where they are in their spiritual journeys. There are things in those stories that remind us of why we believe what it is we believe. This episode defiantly falls into that category as I sit down and have a conversation with Felipe & Merilynnes  and how they came to be converted to the orthodox teachings of Mormonism. We cover Merilynnes upbringing in Utah as a fully active member of the LDS Church, her time in college and on a mission. We then here from Felipe and how he journeyed from being a catholic to a member of the LDS Church and then being introduced to orthodox Mormon teaching and how Felipe & Merilynne grew together while studying those early Mormon teachings. We cover how their families reacted to their conversions and what their experiences have been in living orthodox Mormonism.   --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   One of the reasons I love Mormonism is the idea that God is no respecter of persons. What that means for us is that as God has dealt with His children in the past is how He will deal with us today. This allows us to foster a relationship with Him because we know what He expects of us. Now with that in mind let me ask this question, should we expect to find the Law of Moses before Moses earthly ministry? The answer is of course yes. Today on the podcast Joshua Erickson and I have a conversation about this. Now if you are able I would recommend going to the Rumble channel and listening because Joshua has a lot of slides to go along with our conversation that you might find helpful. During the course of our conversation we look at the life and ministry of the Patriarchs in the Old Testament and find some very compelling evidence that they were practicing Law long before Moses. We wrap it all up at the end by talking about what this should mean for each one of us and our relationship with God.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   I believe that one of the things that we as orthodox Mormons are called to is to preserve truths of the Restoration that have been discarded. Now while that statement on the surface seems pretty straight forward it actually is a little more complex than we might think. In order to fulfill that part of our mission it requires us to look at what we do and then make the determination that what in our practices are Doctrine versus Tradition, then to complicate the subject even more we have to ask the question is this a good tradition or a harmful tradition. Sometimes identifying what is tradition versus doctrine is really manifested in how we conduct our worship meetings. On this episode Justin Francom & Adam Hosey join me for a discussion on this very topic. Through the course of our conversation, we cover the good and bad aspects of tradition and how to tell the differences, what the Lord has to say concerning what must be present in our worship services, differences in Mormonism and other religions and finally what we can do to infuse more meaning into our worship meetings.   --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   This week on the podcast Taylor Smith and I finish our conversation about the book The Great Omission which was wrote by a sectarian Christian advocating for plural marriage and boy do we cover a lot of ground in our conversation. We talk about how and why monogamy became the norm in Christianity, Plural Marriage in early Protestantism, Population Collapse and the role it played in the Ukrainian/Russian war and it becoming a problem here in the West, the definition of Patriarchy and what it really is, The omission of Plural Marriage in the King James Bible, the implications for living Plural Marriage today.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   There are a lot of beliefs and practices that make Mormonism truly unique the religious world. Certainly, if you were to ask a run of the mill person on the street what makes Mormons different the first thing brought up would be plural marriage. But what if a sectarian Christian wrote a book advocating for plural marriage, what would that look. Like.  Well today you are going to find out. Taylor Smith joins me today as we breakdown a book entitled The Great Omission by Clyde L Pilkington. Now to cover this book it is going to take two episodes. In this first part we cover the problem of demographics and ratio of men to women in modern society, Old Testament precedents, New Testament’s evidence, what the New Testament and Christ both say on the topic and all along the way debunk and dispel misconceptions around plural marriage.  https://www.amazon.com/Great-Omission-Christendoms-Abandonment-Biblical/dp/1934251712/ref=sr_1_5?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.CZLRQZpy_VWXHrTIQnknhltAfbGARzSDz8hjBv1O2e_FoQp0Hw8rgguOLo16Qq1C52aW9YGcfFel-ib0G3oyLEGIRMjUCcKJ31UqHrLWPFpk8dCUJc84Mw5tBodoJb1agYupQ-7zJoFmSCgB7evHAT8-WmwVj7SJv611HEOr-2aKAXUfUwqvlLcEmkFdfpQTgf6m6qCtEiL4a8o3PElHYWlEIrkcwIOA2hL_GVHAkaE.hwACx4G95uEgWimidwAgF9OorQIVIoz8SOaJ7BCxA6A&dib_tag=se&hvadid=580629326769&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9023799&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=307385124108899090&hvtargid=kwd-790665215&hydadcr=8237_13500794&keywords=the+great+omission&qid=1731789634&sr=8-5 --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   Right now, the Plural Marriages deniers are coming out in full force to try and damage the testimony of the truth in as many people as they can. One of the tactics that are used is that they will say that the early sisters that practiced the principle of Celestial Plural Marriage where oppressed, weak, silent women who would never choose such a marriage. Man, if only we had access to those early Sisters thoughts and feelings……oh wait we do! Today on the podcast Kimberly Watson Smith joins me again where we read those early Sisters words (in context) and let those sisters from Church history speak for themselves. Through our conversation what we find is that these women left all of us in the Restoration a proud heritage of faith and that should inspire, uplift, and strengthen our testimonies of not only the principle of Celestial Plural Marriage but also the whole of the teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   Well given that the election day is just a few days away I wanted to do an episode not so much on the politics but on what could be at stake this election. To do that I think we need to take a look around the globe and see what’s really happening. Now to help us get a feel on what’s really happening I felt like I needed to talk to someone that is not only in the know, but someone who could provide context for all that is happening. For that heavy lift I reached backout to David Pyne. If you recall I had David on once before earlier this summer and he has an impressive resume where he was National Security Policy Director for Senator Mike Lee, and Defense & Foreign Policy Advisor for former presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy and that’s just for starters. We have a fascinating conversation about what is really happening with all the conflicts around the globe, what those conflicts could mean for America as a country, what he thinks the likely outcome of the election will be and the ramifications of those elections here in America.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   Today on the podcast Michael Ness joins me again as we continue our series on the Old Testament. This episode is all about Noah. For many the Noah story is a simple story. God tells Noah to build an ark, animals come aboard the ark, it rains and floods, Noah’s family is preserved and that’s about it. Well guess what there are some amazing insights that can be gleaned from the Noah account, and we talk about a lot of them on this episode. Through the account of Noah we touch on things such as the nature of God, Biblical origins, the scribes and how the conflict from the Northern and Southern kingdoms of Israel factor into the way the Bible was compiled, and then to really stretch your mind you will hear how the Temple is and Temple theology is woven throughout the entire story of Noah. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So I apologize I didn’t release an episode but I was pretty busy with some pretty cool things last weekend, but we are back today so here we go. We seem to be reaching a point in society that home ownership seems to be getting further out of reach especially for our children and couple that with a desire to get out of a society that seems to be getting farther away from reality and seems to be slipping more and more into chaos it seems like our options are getting pretty slim. But what if it didn’t have to be that way? What if there was a way that we could gather with like-minded people to weather these societal storms. Well today on this episode Jeff Alldredge joins me again to have a conversation about a plan that he has to help people do just that. As we break down his idea it seems to have the ability to be repeatable and scalable for almost all people despite their skillsets or economic situations. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So I started a series of episodes about people who have found their into Mormon Fundamentalism and started that with a conversation with Adam Hosey. That episode got a lot of likes so we are now ready for part two. So what happens when an LDS Missionary discovers the forgotten teachings of the Restoration? Well today I have Mason Vogel on the podcast to talk about just that. We talk about Mason’s ties to Mormonism, his conversion to the LDS Church, his time as a missionary for the LDS Church, his departure from his mission and the church, and where and what’s he is doing today in his faith journey.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So last week we covered who Nibley was as a person. Now this week I got a real treat for you. Ken Peterson joins me for part 2 of this series on Nibley as we breakdown his work, teachings and discoveries. And just a public service announcement here you might you want to wear a hat to keep your head together because some of this will blow your mind. In the course of our conversation, we give a quick breakdown each one of Hugh Nibley’s books and their contents then touch just a little on some of his most profound and significant teachings and discoveries then wrap it all up by talking about his significance to the story of the restoration.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   There are certain men in the story of the Restoration who leave a large footprint on Mormonism. Some are theologians, others are leaders, some are scholars. Today we will be talking about just such a man. Ken Peterson joins me for the next two weeks to have a couple of conversations about Hugh Nibley and his teachings. This week will be talking about Nibley’s childhood, his family’s connections to early LDS Church leadership, his education, his mission to germany, his time in the army during world war 2, a near death experience he had, and his time at BYU, and  finish up this part by talking about his impact on Mormonism at large.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So I have had the opportunity to meet many families in Mormon Fundamentalism and the vast majority of those families are beautiful, well adjusted, loving families. But I won’t deny that just like monogamous marriages abuse does happen and when it does women and children need help. However not all organizations that offer that help are created equal. This was never more on display than during the days of the wicked priest-tyrant Warren Jeffs. As folks reached out for help to get away from him there were organizations all too eager to help but would do so with strings attached like putting a camera in the survivor’s face and profiting off of their pain for reality T.V. ratings and then berating some of the survivors’ religious beliefs. However, there is one organization that I feel does it right and that is Cherish Families. Cherish Families was founded and is largely staffed by people from polygamous backgrounds both practicing and non-practicing. With their deep understanding of the fears and barriers that people from our faith community can experience, they are compassionate, empathetic, and uniquely qualified to serve the Mormon Fundamentalist community all without profiting off the survivor’s pain or forcing them to denounce their religious beliefs. Today I have Shirlee Draper on from Cherish Families and we have a discussion about how the organization was founded, how they seek to fulfill their mission, and what you could do to help if you feel so inclined.    https://cherishfamilies.org/ https://cherishfamilies.org/who-we-are/frequently-asked-question.html#content_24c94869fe754a439e20f7bcd2dbb8f2_item_14840325 --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So if you remember a few months back I released an episode about the books of Enoch. In that episode we broke down the history of the books from a scholarly perspective. Now today we are going to do a deep dive on what the Books of Enoch teach us as Michael Ness and I continue our series on the Old Testament. During our conversation we parse out who Enoch was, how he fits in the timeline of the patriarchs, what some of his heavenly visitations can teach us, and then wrap it all up by talking about what Enoch means to adherents to the restoration.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   Sometimes as people when we encounter a problem, we tend to look forward to try to get perspective on the issue we are facing. Now that’s not a bad thing, sometimeshowever the perspective we desire is found behind us. Now let’s look at Mormonism. Could it be that perhaps other religious traditions have gone through something similar that Mormonism has with splits from the mainstream that has led to different groups and churches? Well today I have Justin Francom on to talk about the split that happened in early Christianity that led to the development of what is today known as Eastern Orthodox Christianity. In our conversation we cover the history of the early Christian church, then move on to discuss the reasons and doctrinal disagreements that precipitated the split, we then draw some very interesting connections between the split that happened almost 2,000 years ago to what has happened to Mormonism today that should give us the perspective we need to move forward. Finaly we wrap up by talking about opportunities moving forward that just might help the various groups and independents find common ground while allowing us to disagree more agreeably. That and more on this episode of the MRP. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So a couple weeks ago something came to my attention that I thought deserved to have a spotlight shined on it. A family who lives in the United States told me about a sheriff’s deputy who had made a post on social media where they basically equated all people practicing plural marriage to every type of sexual predator you could imagine. Well as I am apt to do, I reached out to someone way smarter than myself. Today on the podcast I have Randall Edwards on to talk about this. Now not only do we talk about what happened to this family, but we also dive into the legal history of how we got here. During this conversation there are some interesting things that come to light that gives some very interesting insights on the true motivations of those who persecuted those early Latter-Day Saints and some perspective what that means for us today.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   There is a movement today in much of the Restoration to either distance itself or in extreme instances completely throw out Brigham Young. The problem is if you throw out Brigham Young you also throw out anything that is uniquely Mormon because its during Brigham’s administration that many of the deeper doctrines of the Restoration taught by Joseph are expounded upon by Brigham Young. So to help talk about the importance of Brigham Young I have put together a powerhouse panel to have this discussion. Joining me for this is Kimberly Watson Smith, Sean Anderson, Jacob Vidrine, & Taylor Smith. We discuss Brigham’s life before he joins the church, his early ministry, his missionary efforts, his pivotal role in the succession crisis, his leadership in getting the saints to the west and finally finish up by talking about what Brigham Young’s legacy and importance is in the Restoration of the Gospel. That’s next on this episode of the MRP.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So, this is part 2 in the series Michael Ness and I are doing about the Old Testament. Kind of like an Institute class. Now if you want to be able to see the classes that go along with this series reach out to me and I will get you the link so you can tune into those. They are on the first and second Tuesday of every month. Today Michael and I pick up shortly after Adam & Eve are expelled out of the garden and follow it all the way through to the murder of Abel by Cain. Now we dig through not only the scriptures of accepted cannon but also into several books of the apocrypha to give this account fuller context and greater understanding. Along the way we draw several interesting parallels to things happening in the world today as well a lot of clarification and food for thought will deepen your testimony of the Restored Gospel.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   One of the things I really love about Mormonism is that because it has its own culture it has its own stories and traditions. Now it’s up to us to parse out those stories and traditions and then decide if they are doctrine or just ideas. Today on the podcast we are going to cover a topic that will require us to do just that. Back in the early days of the Restoration there was an idea that in the last days a Lamanite prophet would arise and set certain things within Mormonism in what came to be known as the Prophecy of the Lamanite Prophet. Moroni Lopez Jessop joins me fresh off his Sunstone talk about this very subject to take a look at this story and teaching. We cover where this idea started, how it was understood by early Mormons, how it fell out of favor with the LDS Church, how it was kept alive by Mormon Fundamentalists, and what its relevance is today given the gift of hindsight.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support