In the newest episode of the Group Dynamics Dispatch, Angelo talks with Hilary Callan Curtis about how her overlapping training experiences in Contemplative Psychotherapy, Modern Analysis, and years of body practice have shaped her as a clinician and an agent of change. In preparation for their upcoming presentation together at the COGPS conference, they also discuss the unconscious drive towards forms of zealotry in clinical practice and how working with the body and groups has the ability to dissolve rigidity.