In this episode, Angus interviews Ryan Singer, a prominent figure in software development and author of Shape Up. They discuss the influence of Christopher Alexander on design and architecture, exploring how his principles can be applied in both physical and digital realms. The conversation delves into the practical applications of Alexander’s ideas, the challenges of implementing them, and the current trends in architecture that reflect a shift away from minimalist designs. Ryan shares insights from his own work in software development and how he helps teams navigate the complexities of design and engineering collaboration.