This week, Lisa and Aimee examine their complicated relationship with their bodies—how they can be both attuned enough to obsess over various aches and pains, while also feeling the disjointed distancing that societal expectations of beauty can create.

They’re joined by illustrator Ariella Elovic, who runs @thecheekyblog and wrote and illustrated Cheeky: A Head to Toe Memoir. Ariella shares how she found body acceptance thanks to a tight-knit group of girlfriends at summer camp, and offers her honest and entertaining approach to loving your body, in all of its exquisite wonder and, occasionally, grossness.

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Our theme music is by Low Cut Connie.

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