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#134 - Steve Keen - How Modern Economics Became Ideology

#134 - Steve Keen - How Modern Economics Became Ideology

Update: 2025-12-09
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Modern economics is built on competing theories that often describe the world in very different ways. In this conversation, economist Steve Keen sets out his explanation for how money works, why he believes mainstream economic models fail, and why debt, banking and housing play a far greater role in economic crises than most policymakers acknowledge.

Keen's perspective challenges the assumptions of neoclassical, Keynesian and Austrian economists alike.

In this episode we discuss:
– How economics became political ideology
– Why neoclassical theory broke the West
– The Left vs Right illusion in economic policy
– What money really is (and how banks actually create it)
– Why inflation is misunderstood by almost everyone
– How private debt fuels instability and inequality
– Housing, mortgages & the destruction of the middle class
– Why equilibrium economics is fantasy
– What a sane, reality-based economic model looks like
– How young people can survive a debt-driven system

Economics didn't fail by accident — it failed because ideology replaced reality.

Steve Keen is one of the world's leading heterodox economists, known for his critiques of mainstream theory and his work on private debt, banking, financial instability and the 2008 crisis, which he warned about years in advance.

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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00 – Introduction 
00:03:12 – Why Economics Became Ideology  
00:09:04 – Economists vs Reality  
00:14:47 – How Money Actually Works  
00:21:18 – Banks, Loans & Money Creation    
00:33:44 – Inflation: What Really Drives It  
00:38:59 – Wages, Markups & Bargaining Power    
00:47:55 – The Housing Crisis Explained  
00:54:03 – Deregulation & the Death of Affordability  
00:59:22 – Middle Class Collapse  
01:04:48 – Left and Right Get Economics Wrong  
01:11:02 – Neoclassical Economics
01:17:26 – The Problem With Economic Models  
01:22:31 – Why Economists Misunderstand Production  
01:28:08 – AI, Automation & The Future of Work     
01:44:28 – Structural Failures   
01:55:46 – Can Government Use Good Economics?  
02:01:23 – Global Debt, Fragility & Future Crises  
02:06:40 – What Would Real Reform Look Like?  
02:13:28 – Why Young Generations Feel Hopeless  
02:19:47 – Can We Build a Post-Ideological Economics?  
02:25:10 – Final Thoughts  

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#134 - Steve Keen - How Modern Economics Became Ideology

#134 - Steve Keen - How Modern Economics Became Ideology