In this conversation, Larry Sanger explains how Wikipedia's governance structure allowed anonymous editors, activist groups, PR firms, and institutional power to capture what became the world's default source of truth.

This isn't a culture-war rant.
It's a structural explanation of how neutrality failed and why reform may no longer be possible.

We discuss:
– How Wikipedia was originally designed
– Why expert review was rejected
– Anonymous power and editor oligarchies
– Activism, PR firms & source blacklists
– Israel, Trump & political bias
– Why "consensus" became enforcement
– Whether AI will replace Wikipedia
– Why Sanger believes Wikipedia may be finished

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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 – Introduction
01:52 – How Wikipedia was originally built
09:13 – Wikipedia as a de facto truth engine
12:42 – Anonymous power inside Wikipedia
14:56 – Editors, bans and arbitrary authority
20:24 – Israel, Trump & political bias
27:29 – Activism, PR firms and capture
32:11 – Can neutrality even exist?
37:02 – Can AI be more neutral than humans?
41:03 – Testing Wikipedia with AI
49:03 – Is Wikipedia cooked?
58:56 – Why "consensus" became enforcement
01:05:30 – Source blacklists explained
01:15:12 – What Wikipedia has become
01:33:37 – Will AI replace Wikipedia?
01:40:24 – Would Sanger turn it off?
01:44:01 – Final warning

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