In this episode, the host welcomes Ryan Callahan of MeatEater and Backcountry Hunters & Anglers to discuss the importance of public lands. They delve into the issues surrounding public lands, how individuals can get involved in conservation efforts, and what public lands should mean to everyone. Callahan shares stories from his outdoor adventures, including an unforgettable experience with a mountain lion and her kittens. They also discuss the attempts to sell public lands, the Roadless Rule, and the importance of unity among different outdoor user groups. The episode highlights the power of collective voices in conservation and offers practical ways for listeners to take action. 


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00:07 The Importance of Public Lands
 00:53 Threats to Public Lands
 01:24 How to Take Action
 02:00 The Power of Unity in Advocacy
 02:53 Interview with Ryan Callahan Begins
 03:17 Experiences in the Wilderness
 04:18 The Role of Technology in Outdoor Adventures
 07:32 Challenges and Responsibilities of Outdoor Recreation
 12:40 Ryan Callahan's Journey to Conservation
 24:18 The Importance of Public Land Advocacy
 27:14 Building Coalitions Among Outdoor Enthusiasts
 35:27 Debate on E-Bikes and Motorized Trails
 37:45 Public Comments on Rescinding the Roadless Rule
 38:13 The Complexities of Forest Management
 39:42 Grazing and Fire Management Issues
 42:23 Economic and Environmental Impacts of Road Building
 54:24 The Role of Social Media in Conservation
 57:37 The Importance of Public Involvement
 01:04:33 The Value of Hunting Experiences
 01:17:47 Conclusion and Resources for Public Lands Advocacy