DiscoverWonder Dome#174 Radical Listening (with Robert Biswas-Diener and Christian van Nieuwerburgh)
#174 Radical Listening (with Robert Biswas-Diener and Christian van Nieuwerburgh)

#174 Radical Listening (with Robert Biswas-Diener and Christian van Nieuwerburgh)

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“Radical listening gives us agency — it’s something we can still do even when everything feels uncertain.”

- Christian van Nieuwerburgh

Robert Biswas-Diener and Christian van Nieuwerburgh, two distinguished voices in coaching, positive psychology, and leadership, join Andy to explore the radical and joyful art of listening.

As co-authors of Radical Listening: The Art of True Connection, Robert and Christian provide a framework for cultivating this most vital (and often neglected) skill. In an increasingly divisive, distracted, and digitized world, it’s never been more essential to harness the power of listening as beyond a means of simply hearing words, but to co-create meaning and connection.

In this episode, you’ll learn why “active listening” as we know it may not be enough; the traps of certainty and comparison; and how curiosity, humility, and a sense of play can deepen our connections and help us listen with intention.


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"Generous Listening" by Marilyn Nelson

A conversation can be a contest,
or a game of catch with invisible balloons.
They bounce between us, growing and shrinking,
sometimes floating like cloud medicine balls,
and sometimes bowling at us like round anvils.
You toss a phrase and understanding blooms
like an anemone of colored lights.
My mind fireworks with unasked questions.
Who is this miracle speaking to me?
And who is this miracle listening?
What amazingness are we creating?
Out of gray matter a star spark of thought
leaps between synapses into the air,
and pours through gray matter, into my heart:
how can I not listen generously?

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#174 Radical Listening (with Robert Biswas-Diener and Christian van Nieuwerburgh)

#174 Radical Listening (with Robert Biswas-Diener and Christian van Nieuwerburgh)

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