DiscoverWonder Dome#178 The Servant and the Shadow (with Max Klau)
#178 The Servant and the Shadow (with Max Klau)

#178 The Servant and the Shadow (with Max Klau)

Update: 2025-11-21
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“Service to others is my spiritual home.”

-Max Klau

This week Andy welcomes longtime friend, colleague, and returning Wonder Dome guest Dr. Max Klau. He’s an author, coach, developmental psychologist, and founder of the Center for Courageous Wholeness, who’s work sits at the intersection of inner development and systems change. His new book, Developing Servant Leadership at Scale: How to Do It and Why It Matters is part-memoir, part how-to guidebook that offers candid reflections on the challenges leaders face and the importance of engaging large numbers of people, both at scale and at a distance.

Max’s work explores how individuals and societies can confront both their “light” and their “shadow,” especially in an era of political toxicity, rising authoritarianism, and declining trust in institutions. Together with Andy, they grapple with what true servant-leadership requires of us, both individually and collectively; how leaders can stay anchored in values when stepping into a political arena rife with ego and fear; and a vision for an American civic life grounded in courageous wholeness.


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"For Citizenship" by John O'Donohue 

In these times when anger
Is turned into anxiety
And someone has stolen
The horizons and the mountains,

Our small emperors on parade
Never expect our indifference
To disturb their nakedness

They keep their heads down
And their eyes gleam with reflection
From Aluminum economic ground,

The media wraps everything
In a cellophane of sound,
And the ghost surface of the virtual
Overlays the breathing earth.

The industry of distraction
Makes us forget
That we live in a universe

We have become converts
To the religion of stress
And its deity of progress

That we may have courage
To turn aside from it all

And come to kneel down before the poor,
To discover what we must do,
How to turn anxiety
Back into anger,
How to find our way home.

Show Notes:

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What is your fiercest hope for humanity?

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#178 The Servant and the Shadow (with Max Klau)

#178 The Servant and the Shadow (with Max Klau)

Andy Cahill