This is the second part of a look at the Welsh Government civil service, and why Ministers are frustrated at the pace of change.

Speaking to former civil servants, Special Advisers and Ministers the episodes explores the culture and structures that have developed which make it harder to get things done.

The episode is produced, written and presented by former Welsh Government Minister Lee Waters.

This episode is dedicated to the memory of Nick Powell.

The full set of interviews have been published by Cardiff University :

https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/2888677/Cathays-Conversations-Lee-Waters-Digital-Copy.pdf