Burnout has become the quiet epidemic of modern work. We tell people to “set better boundaries” or “take more time off,” but the real problem isn’t a lack of self-care—it’s that most organizations are designed to exhaust their people. Fear-based cultures, unclear priorities, and performative busyness have turned overwork into a badge of honor, leaving even the most capable teams running on fumes.

In this episode, Rodney and Sam unpack the systemic roots of burnout and why it thrives inside traditional hierarchies. They explore how teams accidentally reinforce it, how leaders unknowingly reward it, and share real steps to change the system instead of blaming individuals.

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Mentioned references:

• "77% of professionals feel burned out"


• Prisoner's dilemma


• Theory Y


• "American teen experiences as much anxiety as 1950s psych patient"


• "job market hellscape article"


• Herbert Freudenberger and 12 stages of burnout


• "4 day workweek better human outcomes"

00:00 Intro + Check-In: What’a silly or inconsequential project to you’ve done just for fun?

03:23 The Pattern: Systemic burnout keeps being met with individual solves, which leads to more burnout

08:21 Team burnout red flag 1: Overhelptfulness

11:10 Team burnout red flag 2: Defeatism

14:04 Team burnout red flag 3: Procrastination

16:44 Team burnout red flag 4: Overwork on busywork

20:41 Team burnout red flag 5: Impatience

23:35 Burnout is tied to short-termism and fear

27:30 Bureaucracy and gaslighting

29:10 Idea 1: Combat busyness with an outcome audit

32:49 Idea 2: Clarify ways of working to cut through bureaucracy

34:29 Idea 3: Design defaults and rules that reduce systemic burnout

36:14 Idea 4: Learn your own burnout symptoms to steer the ship before you reach critical mass

42:00 Idea 5: Enforce work-in-product limits for your team

45:55 Wrap up: Leave us a review and share the show with your colleagues

Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Coupe Studios⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.