533: What Even We Didn’t Know About “Protecting” Our Wealth
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This episode of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast delves into the complexities of estate planning with elder law and state-planning attorney Jenny Roselle. The discussion covers a range of crucial topics, including the distinction between revocable and non-revocable trusts, the risks and benefits of DIY estate planning, and the importance of open communication with family members regarding estate plans. Jenny emphasizes that while revocable trusts are often used for asset protection and tax planning, non-revocable trusts are typically employed for estate tax purposes. She also cautions against the pitfalls of DIY estate planning, highlighting the potential for misunderstandings and legal complications. The episode stresses the significance of clear communication with family members about estate plans, particularly regarding the roles of healthcare representatives and financial decision-makers. Jenny advises against making major estate planning decisions after consuming alcohol, as this can lead to emotional and legal complications. The episode also explores the concept of fairness in estate distribution, emphasizing that equal treatment doesn't always equate to fairness. Jenny highlights the importance of considering factors like sweat equity, business ownership, and financial contributions to children during their lives when determining inheritance distribution. The episode concludes with a discussion of the potential consequences of inheriting property with debt, the importance of seeking legal advice for beneficiaries, and the legal implications of last-minute wills written on napkins. Jenny also explains the concept of a no-contest clause, which can be included in a will to disinherit beneficiaries who attempt to contest the estate plan.
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Introduction and Estate Planning Basics
This Chapter introduces the BiggerPockets Money Podcast and its goal of helping people achieve financial freedom. It also introduces Jenny Roselle, an elder law and state-planning attorney, who will be discussing estate planning topics throughout the episode. The chapter begins with a question about the validity of a will written on a napkin, setting the stage for a discussion about the importance of proper estate planning documents.
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Revocable vs. Non-Revocable Trusts
This Chapter delves into the differences between revocable and non-revocable trusts. Scott asks Jenny when a revocable trust is preferable to a non-revocable trust. Jenny explains that revocable trusts are often used for asset protection and tax planning, while non-revocable trusts are typically employed for estate tax purposes. She also discusses the high estate tax limit and how it affects the need for non-revocable trusts.
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Estate Planning Timeline and DIY Considerations
This Chapter explores the time frame involved in creating an estate plan and the risks of DIY estate planning. Mindy asks Jenny how long it typically takes to create an estate plan, and Jenny explains that it's not a quick process, especially for more complex plans involving trusts. She also discusses the potential pitfalls of DIY estate planning, emphasizing the importance of understanding the legal implications of estate planning documents.
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Communication and Family Dynamics in Estate Planning
This Chapter focuses on the importance of communication with family members regarding estate plans. Mindy raises concerns about the potential for misunderstandings and conflicts arising from informal discussions about estate plans, particularly when alcohol is involved. Jenny emphasizes the importance of open and transparent communication, but also acknowledges that some families prefer to keep estate planning matters private.
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Fairness vs. Equality in Estate Distribution
This Chapter explores the concept of fairness in estate distribution. Mindy asks Jenny whether it's necessary to treat all beneficiaries equally when distributing assets. Jenny explains that fairness doesn't always equate to equality, and that factors like sweat equity, business ownership, and financial contributions to children during their lives should be considered when determining inheritance distribution.
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Reviewing and Updating Estate Plans
This Chapter discusses the frequency with which estate plans should be reviewed and updated. Mindy asks Jenny how often estate plans should be revisited, and Jenny emphasizes the importance of anchoring updates to life events, such as births, deaths, marriages, divorces, and significant personal changes.
Keywords
Estate Planning
The process of legally organizing and distributing a person's assets and property after their death. It involves creating documents like wills, trusts, and powers of attorney to ensure that assets are distributed according to the individual's wishes and that their affairs are managed effectively after their passing.
Revocable Trust
A type of trust that can be modified or revoked by the grantor (the person creating the trust) during their lifetime. It's often used for asset protection, tax planning, and to avoid probate. The grantor retains control over the assets in the trust and can change beneficiaries or distribute assets as they see fit.
Non-Revocable Trust
A type of trust that cannot be modified or revoked by the grantor after it's established. It's often used for estate tax planning, asset protection, and to ensure that assets are distributed according to the grantor's wishes even after their death. The grantor relinquishes control over the assets in the trust and cannot change beneficiaries or distribute assets.
DIY Estate Planning
The practice of creating estate planning documents without the assistance of an attorney. While it can be cost-effective, it carries significant risks, as individuals may not fully understand the legal implications of the documents they create. It's generally recommended to consult with an attorney for complex estate planning needs.
Estate Tax
A tax levied on the value of a person's estate (assets and property) at their death. The estate tax is a federal tax, and some states also have their own estate taxes. The estate tax threshold is currently high, but it's scheduled to be reduced in the future, potentially impacting more individuals.
No-Contest Clause
A provision in a will or trust that disinherits beneficiaries who attempt to contest the validity of the document. It's designed to discourage legal challenges and ensure that the grantor's wishes are carried out as intended. However, it may not be effective if there are legitimate concerns about the grantor's mental capacity or undue influence.
Beneficiary
A person or entity designated to receive assets or benefits from a will, trust, or insurance policy. Beneficiaries are typically named in estate planning documents and inherit assets according to the grantor's wishes.
Executor
A person appointed by the grantor in a will to manage the estate after their death. The executor is responsible for gathering assets, paying debts, and distributing assets to beneficiaries according to the will's instructions.
Trustee
A person or entity appointed to manage a trust. The trustee is responsible for administering the trust assets according to the terms of the trust document and distributing assets to beneficiaries as directed.
Elder Law
A specialized area of law that focuses on legal issues affecting older adults, including estate planning, long-term care, and end-of-life decisions. Elder law attorneys provide legal advice and guidance to seniors and their families on a range of legal matters related to aging.
Q&A
What are the main differences between revocable and non-revocable trusts?
Revocable trusts are often used for asset protection and tax planning, while non-revocable trusts are typically employed for estate tax purposes. Revocable trusts allow the grantor to retain control over the assets and make changes to the trust during their lifetime, while non-revocable trusts are irrevocable and cannot be modified after they are established.
What are the risks of DIY estate planning?
DIY estate planning can lead to misunderstandings and legal complications, as individuals may not fully understand the legal implications of the documents they create. It's generally recommended to consult with an attorney for complex estate planning needs.
Why is communication with family members important in estate planning?
Open and transparent communication with family members about estate plans can help prevent misunderstandings, conflicts, and legal challenges. It's important to discuss the roles of healthcare representatives and financial decision-makers, and to ensure that everyone understands the grantor's wishes.
What are some factors to consider when determining fairness in estate distribution?
Fairness doesn't always equate to equality. Factors like sweat equity, business ownership, and financial contributions to children during their lives should be considered when determining inheritance distribution.
How often should estate plans be reviewed and updated?
Estate plans should be reviewed and updated regularly, particularly when significant life events occur, such as births, deaths, marriages, divorces, and major personal changes.
What are the potential consequences of inheriting property with debt?
Inheriting property with debt can result in financial losses for the beneficiary. It's important to understand the financial implications of inheriting property and to seek legal advice to explore options for managing the debt.
What is a no-contest clause, and how does it work?
A no-contest clause is a provision in a will or trust that disinherits beneficiaries who attempt to contest the validity of the document. It's designed to discourage legal challenges and ensure that the grantor's wishes are carried out as intended.
Should beneficiaries seek their own legal advice?
Beneficiaries are entitled to seek their own legal advice to ensure that they understand their rights and options regarding an inheritance. It's important to have a clear understanding of the estate plan and to explore any potential strategies for managing assets or debt.
What are the legal implications of last-minute wills written on napkins?
Last-minute wills written on napkins are generally not legally binding and can lead to legal challenges and disputes. It's essential to have estate planning documents prepared by an attorney to ensure that they are legally valid and enforceable.
What are some common mistakes to avoid in estate planning?
Common mistakes in estate planning include failing to update estate plans regularly, neglecting to communicate with family members about estate plans, and attempting to DIY estate planning without professional legal advice.
Show Notes
Are you working towards FIRE or building a financial legacy? Then DON’T skip this episode! What’s the point of creating generational wealth if it will be lost after you’re gone? Jenny Rozelle, estate and elder attorney, is back on the show to answer some of our most pressing questions about wills, trusts, estate planning, and everything in between! She’s got some answers that even personal finance experts Mindy and Scott didn’t know. And if you’re just starting to think about preserving your future wealth, this episode may shock you, too.
From “napkin” wills to bad inheritances, protecting your heirs’ wealth from potential future divorce, and whether or not you’re owed millions after your tipsy Aunt promised you her vacation home, Jenny clears up all the misconceptions that most Americans have about inheritance and estate planning.
Plus, if you’ve got children or loved ones you’re planning to pass your wealth on to, it’s crucial to follow Jenny’s advice on updating your will. Neglecting to update your estate plans or planning around the wrong people could put your wealth at risk!
Check out Jenny’s part one episode here!
In This Episode We Cover
Whether or not a verbal promise of inheritance will hold up in the future
Revocable vs. irrevocable trusts and the ONLY two situations you’d choose an irrevocable one
When to update your will and why Jenny DOESN’T keep a set timeline
Protecting your heirs from losing their inheritance to divorce
What to do when you get an inheritance that brings you more headache than it’s worth
Why communication is critical in estate planning and who you should estate plan with
And So Much More!
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00:00 Intro
01:28 Revocable vs. Irrevocable Trusts
02:29 The Estate Planning Timeline
05:35 Verbal Promises and Inheritance
10:21 When to Update Your Will
12:04 Protecting from Divorce
14:58 Who to Estate Plan WITH
18:23 The Downside of Inheritance
22:54 The “Napkin” Will
25:34 Make Your Estate Plan Today!
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