Three words stopped time.

“Mom, I’m gay.”

That moment cracked Heather Hester’s world wide open — and from the mess came a movement.

In this raw, electric conversation, Heather shares how she transformed fear into advocacy, pain into purpose, and compassion into a system that actually scales.

We talk about:

• What really happens when your brand is born from heartbreak
• The myth of “nice” versus the strategy of kind
• How to operationalize empathy without losing authority
• Why the best leadership lessons often start at home

If you’ve ever wondered how to stay soft in a hard world — or how to build something real after everything breaks — this episode will hit you straight in the gut (in the best way).

💬 Show Notes

Today’s guest, Heather Hester, is the author of Parenting with Pride: Unlearn Bias and Embrace, Empower, and Love Your LGBTQ+ Teen, founder of Chrysalis Mama, and host of the podcast More Human. More Kind.

After her son’s coming-out moment in 2017, Heather began building what she couldn’t find — real resources, compassionate community, and truth-telling spaces for parents, allies, and leaders ready to grow through the hard parts.

🎯 In this episode:

• Why compassion without boundaries equals chaos
• How to turn emotional pain into your brand’s engine
• Tactical empathy — making kindness measurable
• The difference between “nice” and “kind” leadership
• The inner rewiring it takes to lead from humanity, not fear

Connect with Heather:

🌐 Website → https://www.morehumanmorekind.com

🎙 Podcast → More Human. More Kind. on Apple Podcasts

📕 Book → Parenting with Pride on Amazon

📺 YouTube → Heather Hester – More Human More Kind

📸 Instagram → @morehumanmorekind

🔗 LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/hhchrysalismama/

💌 Email → hh@chrysalismama.com

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