A Look Back on Business Ethics with Amy Ryan
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This episode of "The Office" is a rerun of the third episode of season five, "Business Ethics," which features Michael and Holly's lunch at Cooper's seafood. The hosts, Jennifer and Angela Kinsey, discuss a continuity catch from the episode, where Holly's hometown is mentioned as Des Moines but later changes to Boulder, Colorado. They consult the show bible and discover that Holly is originally from Des Moines, with no mention of Colorado. Angela shares her struggle with sweatpants after 409 days of wearing them. She decided to wear actual pants and bought a pair of sassy cargo pants, but they are too big and now have long crotch. The hosts provide a summary of the episode, highlighting Jim's engagement announcement, Holly's business ethics seminar, Michael's immunity offer, and Meredith's confession. They interview Amy Ryan, who played Holly Flax, about her experience on the show. They discuss her character, her relationship with Michael, and her journey to joining the cast. The hosts discuss the DVD commentary for "Business Ethics," which features four beloved crew members: Peter and Vartian (craft services), Sergio and Alan (catering). They share anecdotes about the cast's breakfast and lunch preferences, including the famous "Rashida special" and Steve Carell's love for chocolate chip cookie cake. The hosts begin breaking down the episode, starting with Jim and Pam's engagement announcement. They discuss the scene where Michael tackles Jim to the floor and answer a fan question about the stunt. The hosts discuss Holly's business ethics seminar, where she reveals misconduct in the office. They highlight Michael's confession about his YouTube obsession and Meredith's confession about her affair with the hammer mill rep. The hosts discuss the scene where Michael and Holly meet with Meredith to discuss her confession. They also highlight a deleted Michael talking head about his ideal date with Holly. The hosts discuss the restaurant where Michael and Holly have lunch, Cooper's Seafood House. They reveal that the exterior shot is of the real restaurant in Scranton, while the interior was filmed at Clancy's Crab Broiler in Glendale, California. Michael takes Holly to Cooper's for a business lunch, but his attempts to impress her backfire. He orders two lobster tails and a bowl of soup, and his insistence on the "house red" wine makes him look foolish. Meanwhile, Holly is uncomfortable with Meredith's behavior and expresses her concerns to Michael. Jim tries to get Dwight to waste time by engaging him in personal conversations and distracting him with a fabricated story about Battlestar Galactica. Dwight is easily tricked, and Jim enjoys watching him get frustrated. A fan asks about a free bird on Phyllis's desk, and Jenna and Angela investigate. They discover that Phyllis doesn't know how it got there, and the mystery remains unsolved. Jim observes Dwight working tirelessly and even sneezing with his eyes open. This leads to a discussion about whether it's possible to sneeze with your eyes open, and Jenna and Angela delve into a tangent about the average amount of time people spend having sex. Michael's disastrous lunch with Holly has strained their relationship. He refuses to ride the elevator with her and throws away her leftovers. Holly's complaints about Meredith's behavior lead to a confrontation with Kendall from Corporate HR, who doesn't take her concerns seriously. Despite the tension, Michael feels bad for Holly after Kendall dismisses her concerns. He steps up to help her finish the ethics training, and they seem to reconcile. The episode ends with everyone eating steak in the break room. Fans ask about the food, and Jenna and Angela reveal that the prop food on The Office was often real and delicious.
Outlines
Introduction, Rerun Announcement, and Continuity Catch
The podcast begins with upbeat music and a greeting from the hosts, Jennifer and Angela Kinsey. They announce that they are rerunning the third episode of season five, "Business Ethics," which features Michael and Holly's lunch at Cooper's seafood. The hosts discuss a continuity catch from the episode, where Holly's hometown is mentioned as Des Moines but later changes to Boulder, Colorado. They consult the show bible and discover that Holly is originally from Des Moines, with no mention of Colorado.
Angela's Pants Struggle and Episode Summary
Angela shares her struggle with sweatpants after 409 days of wearing them. She decided to wear actual pants and bought a pair of sassy cargo pants, but they are too big and now have long crotch. The hosts provide a summary of the episode, highlighting Jim's engagement announcement, Holly's business ethics seminar, Michael's immunity offer, and Meredith's confession.
Interview with Amy Ryan
The hosts interview Amy Ryan, who played Holly Flax, about her experience on the show. They discuss her character, her relationship with Michael, and her journey to joining the cast.
DVD Commentary: Food Focus
The hosts discuss the DVD commentary for "Business Ethics," which features four beloved crew members: Peter and Vartian (craft services), Sergio and Alan (catering). They share anecdotes about the cast's breakfast and lunch preferences, including the famous "Rashida special" and Steve Carell's love for chocolate chip cookie cake.
Episode Breakdown: Jim and Pam's Engagement
The hosts begin breaking down the episode, starting with Jim and Pam's engagement announcement. They discuss the scene where Michael tackles Jim to the floor and answer a fan question about the stunt.
Ethics Day and Confessions
The hosts discuss Holly's business ethics seminar, where she reveals misconduct in the office. They highlight Michael's confession about his YouTube obsession and Meredith's confession about her affair with the hammer mill rep.
Michael and Holly's Lunch and Cooper's Seafood House
The hosts discuss the scene where Michael and Holly meet with Meredith to discuss her confession. They also highlight a deleted Michael talking head about his ideal date with Holly. The hosts discuss the restaurant where Michael and Holly have lunch, Cooper's Seafood House. They reveal that the exterior shot is of the real restaurant in Scranton, while the interior was filmed at Clancy's Crab Broiler in Glendale, California.
Michael's Business Lunch Disaster
Michael takes Holly to Cooper's for a business lunch, but his attempts to impress her backfire. He orders two lobster tails and a bowl of soup, and his insistence on the "house red" wine makes him look foolish. Meanwhile, Holly is uncomfortable with Meredith's behavior and expresses her concerns to Michael.
Jim's Time-Wasting Tactics and The Mystery of the Free Bird
Jim tries to get Dwight to waste time by engaging him in personal conversations and distracting him with a fabricated story about Battlestar Galactica. Dwight is easily tricked, and Jim enjoys watching him get frustrated. A fan asks about a free bird on Phyllis's desk, and Jenna and Angela investigate. They discover that Phyllis doesn't know how it got there, and the mystery remains unsolved.
Sneezing with Your Eyes Open and The Aftermath of the Business Lunch
Jim observes Dwight working tirelessly and even sneezing with his eyes open. This leads to a discussion about whether it's possible to sneeze with your eyes open, and Jenna and Angela delve into a tangent about the average amount of time people spend having sex. Michael's disastrous lunch with Holly has strained their relationship. He refuses to ride the elevator with her and throws away her leftovers. Holly's complaints about Meredith's behavior lead to a confrontation with Kendall from Corporate HR, who doesn't take her concerns seriously.
Michael and Holly's Reconciliation and The Steak Dinner Mystery
Despite the tension, Michael feels bad for Holly after Kendall dismisses her concerns. He steps up to help her finish the ethics training, and they seem to reconcile. The episode ends with everyone eating steak in the break room. Fans ask about the food, and Jenna and Angela reveal that the prop food on The Office was often real and delicious.
Keywords
Show Bible
A document containing detailed information about a television show, including character biographies, plot summaries, and production details. It serves as a reference guide for writers, producers, and actors.
Continuity Catch
An inconsistency or error in a television show's storyline, often related to character details, plot points, or setting. These catches can be noticed by observant viewers and often become a source of discussion among fans.
Sassy Cargo Pants
A type of pants characterized by a loose, comfortable fit, multiple pockets, and a stylish, often slightly edgy, design. They are popular for their versatility and ability to be dressed up or down.
Long Crotch
A term used to describe pants that are too long in the crotch area, resulting in a baggy, unflattering appearance. It can be caused by incorrect sizing or the fabric stretching out over time.
Rashida Special
A popular breakfast order invented by Rashida Jones, a cast member on "The Office." It consists of black beans, turkey bacon, avocado, egg whites, Sergio's salsa, and two corn tortillas.
Chocolate Chip Cookie Cake
A dessert made with a chocolate chip cookie dough base and topped with chocolate chips. It is often served warm and gooey.
Hammer Mill Rep
A sales representative who sells hammer mills, a type of industrial machinery used for grinding and crushing materials.
Cooper's Seafood House
A real restaurant located in Scranton, Pennsylvania, which was featured in "The Office." The exterior shot of the restaurant was used in the episode, while the interior was filmed at a different location.
Battlestar Galactica
A science fiction television series that Jim uses to distract Dwight by purposely getting the details wrong and inserting characters from other franchises.
Q&A
What is the continuity catch discussed in the episode?
Holly's hometown is mentioned as Des Moines in one episode, but later changes to Boulder, Colorado. The show bible confirms that Holly is originally from Des Moines, with no mention of Colorado.
What is Angela's struggle with sweatpants?
After 409 days of wearing sweatpants, Angela decided to wear actual pants. She bought a pair of sassy cargo pants, but they are too big and now have long crotch.
What is the significance of the "Rashida special"?
The "Rashida special" is a popular breakfast order invented by Rashida Jones, a cast member on "The Office." It consists of black beans, turkey bacon, avocado, egg whites, Sergio's salsa, and two corn tortillas. It became a favorite among the cast and crew.
What is the significance of the scene where Michael and Holly meet with Meredith to discuss her confession?
This scene highlights Michael's desire to help Holly succeed in her role as HR representative. It also showcases his comedic attempts to guide Meredith through the process of confessing her actions.
What is the real restaurant that was used for the exterior shot of Cooper's Seafood House?
The real restaurant is Cooper's Seafood House, located in Scranton, Pennsylvania. The interior scenes were filmed at Clancy's Crab Broiler in Glendale, California.
What does Michael order at Cooper's for lunch?
Michael orders two lobster tails and a bowl of soup, as well as a "house red" wine.
What does Holly say about Meredith's behavior?
Holly tells Michael that she finds Meredith's behavior unethical and icky, and she doesn't want to work in an environment where that kind of conduct is tolerated.
How does Jim try to get Dwight to waste time?
Jim tells Dwight a fabricated story about Battlestar Galactica, purposely getting the details wrong and inserting characters from other franchises.
How does Michael and Holly reconcile?
Michael feels bad for Holly after Kendall dismisses her concerns. He steps up to help her finish the ethics training, and they seem to reconcile.
Show Notes
This week we’re taking a look back on Business Ethics, and the ladies go to the show bible to verify a continuity catch that fans wrote in about. Jenna and Angela interview Amy Ryan on what it was like to play Holly Flax! Amy even shares her own Cooper's Seafood House story. Angela shares about some very special DVD commentary guests who worked as craft services and caterers on The Office set. Jenna does a deep dive on how the Cookie Monster’s parody of Tay Zonday’s “Chocolate Rain” was made after this episode aired, and the ladies discover they both did the same deep dive on what people can do in, let’s say, 19 minutes. So let’s get ethical with this amazing Office Ladies episode!
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