Companies love to talk about AI transformation. They've created policies, distributed tools, checked boxes. But behind closed doors, overwhelmed employees are phoning it in with AI slop, leaders can't tell the difference, and the workforce is too exhausted to learn anything new. That's not transformation. That's theater.

In this episode of The Trending Communicator, host Dan Nestle welcomes back Anne Green, CEO of G&S Integrated Marketing Communications Group and host of the Building Brand Gravity podcast. Anne brings a rare perspective—she's orchestrated one of the industry's most successful agency transformations while navigating this AI identity crisis firsthand. Having built Cooper Katz from startup to acquisition, then taken the helm at G&S and expanded it through strategic acquisitions, she's seen transformation from every angle.

Anne and Dan cut through the AI hype to examine what's really stalling adoption: a workforce stretched too thin to experiment, psychological bandwidth at zero, and the uncomfortable reality that AI doesn't automatically make anyone smarter—we have to fight for it. They explore why agencies may be better positioned to crack this code, what the dot-com bubble can teach us about today's AI valuations, and why the talent pipeline conversation keeps shifting from entry-level to mid-level to senior without anyone knowing who's actually at risk.

Listen in and hear about...

• Why AI acts like a "personality intensifier"—making good workers better and mediocre workers worse


• The workforce conundrum: people too overwhelmed to upskill, yet facing existential pressure to adapt


• What agencies are doing differently that corporate teams are missing


• Why "showing your work" on AI builds trust while hiding it destroys it


• Anne's mantra for surviving this moment: "Hold less tightly. Unclench."

Notable Quotes from Anne Green:

"The biggest thing is from the upskilling side, this is a very complex people transformation moment. And we are really crap in this society at upskilling people. We're not good at it." [00:11:32 – 00:11:49 ]

"AI doesn’t automatically augment our intelligence. We have to fight for it and we have to build it and we have to embrace it. But it is a journey." [00:18:49 – 00:19:02 ]

"There is, especially at this moment, a beauty of the beginner’s mind, that person who’s coming in with curiosity and freshness..." [00:57:00 – 00:57:40 ]

"Hold less tightly, unclench the hands and open up the palms. That’s the last thing I’d offer, folks. Hold less tightly." [01:04:38 – 01:04:47 ]

Resources and Links

Dan Nestle

• Inquisitive Communications | Website


• The Trending Communicator | Website


• Communications Trends from Trending Communicators | Dan Nestle's Substack


• Dan Nestle | LinkedIn

Anne Green

• G&S Integrated Marketing Communications | gscommunications.com


• Building Brand Gravity Podcast | Apple Podcasts


• Anne Green | LinkedIn

Timestamps

0:00:00 AI Transformation Hype and Restrictive Corporate Policies
0:06:43 Corporate Struggles with AI Adoption and Change Management
0:12:26 Bubble vs. Real Change—Comparing Dot-Com Era to AI Revolution
0:19:04 AI-Augmented Skills—Best and Worst Amplified
0:25:56 Human/Machine Symbiosis: How AI Changes Us
0:30:01 Freedom to Innovate: Builders, Use Cases, and Organizational Constraints
0:35:10 Overworked Workforce, Layoffs, and AI’s Impact on Talent Strategy
0:42:11 Talent Displacement, Business Model Evolution, and Pipeline Changes
0:48:25 Rethinking Comms Career Tracks with AI Integration
0:54:02 Entry-Level Realities: Training, Context, and Curiosity
1:01:16 Importance of In-Person Collaboration in the Age of AI
1:04:00 Leading Through Change—Kindness, Grace, and Adaptability
1:05:48 Wrap-Up, Final Thoughts, and Podcast Promotion

(Notes co-created by Human Dan, Claude, and Castmagic)

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices