How have our Presidents’ money stories affected their lives and trajectories before, during, and after their terms? Have the Presidents’ finances affected policy? What stories do they teach the rest of us?

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As we head into election season, MEGAN GORMAN has released a terrific book on US Presidents and their personal finances. She is a tax attorney and wealth manager – takes readers on a rollicking ride, full of history and personal finance lessons, to understand the intimate money stories of our most famous presidents in her highly anticipated new book, ALL THE PRESIDENTS’ MONEY: How the Men who Governed America Governed Their Money

Megan Gorman’s “All The Presidents’ Money”

Megan has spent her career advising some of the wealthy. She parlayed her interest in history and politics with her career expertise to analyze our Presidents relationship with money. The stories of our Presidents’ personal finances not only give insight into their leadership style, but they teach lessons for the rest of us as well.

What inspired you to write about the US presidents’ relationship with money?

Since I was six, I’ve always been obsessed with learning about the presidents. There’s an archetype that I was drawn to: a man from an ordinary background that through hard work and luck makes his way to the top. We have many presidential examples in our history: Lincoln, Eisenhower, Grant, Johnson, Truman, Ford, Reagan, and on. Could this same story happen now?  Maybe, but it’s not as easy as it was before.

How did you approach researching the book, since financial details are often private?

I usually started by reading a book on the president and looking for little items – education, jobs, homes – and then ferreting out primary source documents. But the most useful items are the letters.  Letters were where a lot of financial discussions occurred, from Jefferson and his financial challenges to Harry Truman lamenting to his future wife about whether he will ever find financial success. The presidential libraries and museums’ archives were also unbelievable. 

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Did you notice any common themes or patterns in the presidents’ financial behaviors and decision-making?

A lot of bad financial decision making occurs when emotion controls the situation. For example, President George Washington asked James Monroe to go to France. Monroe agreed even though he had a substantial plantation at home that needed significant management. Monroe got to France and realized that to succeed, he needs gravitas. In 1790s France, that means having the right home to entertain in. So he went out and bought a house for the US with his own money – doesn’t ask permission and doesn’t think about the obligations back home. His salary doesn’t cover half of what he is spending. When Monroe’s appointment is over, he sells the house at a loss. Money is emotion – and managing it is very hard for all of us.

You write in All The Presidents’ Money that “wealth happens at the intersection of opportunity and discipline.” What do you mean?

We talk a lot about financial literacy and having strong financial skills. But the truth is you could be the greatest budgeter in the world, but if you have no money coming in, it’s a moot point.  Budgeting, risk tolerance, connecting with your future self – all of those things are the framework of finance – but you need your shot at wealth building, to put it in Hamilton parlance. You need to have the ability to make a living.  If you have that, and you use financial literacy, you can build financial resilience. Sounds easy, but in the current stage we are in the US, it’s gotten a lot harder.

Several presidents had a strong aversion to debt. Do you think this is a valuable mindset for financial success?

I completely agree with them. Debt isn’t something you want to have. It needs to be seen as a tool to get you to the next level with a focus on paying it off. Jerry Ford is always an interesting person when it comes to this. In her Oral Histories at the presidential library, his daughter Susan discusses how she would try to convince her dad that having a mortgage wasn’t that bad a thing – after all you got a tax deduction for it. Ford wouldn’t hear of it. He just abhorred debt. Working with wealthy individuals, most of them enjoy the day their mortgages are paid off.  It’s a feeling of safety and security.

Thomas Jefferson struggled mightily with debt. What lessons can we learn from his financial missteps?

One of the things I’ve learned through working with very successful people is that often the skills or personality traits that allow them to be successful can at times be a negative. Jefferson is like that. He’s a magical thinker. On one hand, he can draft huge philosophical ideas and make them understandable. Yet when we look at his financial ledgers, he’s avoidant and unable to be practical.  Being good with money requires being grounded and having the ability to say no.  He’s just unwilling to do it – even when it is too late and is about to lose everything.

What can we learn from Jefferson? The need to connect with your future self. What does your financial like look like 10-20-30 years from now? Are you living debt free? Are you able to travel and live comfortably in retirement? How much money do you want to have saved?  When you have these visualizations, then you can start to put the discipline around your finances in terms of savings and budgeting. 

What role does marriage play in the financial lives of presidents?

A big one! Who you marry has a huge impact on your financial success in life. A lot of our most successful presidents married up financially, starting with Washington. Building strong finances is a team sport. If partners aren’t aligned, they might be working against each other. Warren Harding wasn’t a great president, but he was a great businessman. He and his wife Florence owned a newspaper. Florence ran the paper’s finances. Harding was better at editorial and advertising. Their skills were complementary, and as they built up the paper, they built up their wealth. If he had married a less financially savvy wife, he may not have been as successful.

What is the key to effective communication about money in relationships, and which presidents did it best?

In All The Presidents’ Money, the key to effective communication about money in relationships is to make it a constant topic of conversation in a constructive manner. Whenever you read a letter between the Adams, they address each other “My Dearest Friend” – a rather romantic and loving way to start a letter. The tone allows the conversation to be friendly and constructive – rather than critical and dismissive – even when it’s about money.

Grant’s trust in the wrong business partners cost him dearly. What advice would you give about how to vet financial relationships?

What made Grant great was a challenge when it came to managing money. He’s a little too trusting and takes people at their word. He’s like Bill Clinton in that sense. If anything, Grant should tap into the skills of another General President. Eisenhower was very good at looking at a situation and assessing risk. He learned from playing poker. Risk assessment allows you to consider different outcomes. The key is to ask a lot of questions. What happens if things go wrong? Is there a contingency plan?  How to you protect your investment? 

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The Obamas had significant student loan debt well into their 40s. Is college education still worth the cost?

Maybe, but Americans need to be more strategic about education costs. When you look at Barack Obama, he wracked up a lot of the debt attending Harvard Law. He had a full ride to Northwestern.  But Obama wanted to be president and he knew Harvard was a good way to go. Same thing with Bill Clinton – he had high aspirations, so taking loans to go to Yale Law was strategic.

But the cost of education has gotten so high that what’s really important is getting a degree at the lowest cost possible. Unless you have the financ