Andrew Dick: Hello and welcome to the Healthcare Real Estate Advisor Podcast. I’m Andrew Dick, an attorney with Hall Render, the largest healthcare-focused law firm in the country. Today we’ll be speaking with Tamia Kramer, the associate vice president of real estate at Ardent Health Services. Ardent is a national hospital and healthcare system that’s based in Nashville, Tennessee. We’re going to talk about Tamia’s background, Ardent Health Services and trends in the healthcare real estate industry. Tamia, thanks for joining me.

Tamia Kramer: Thanks for the invite, Andrew.

Andrew Dick: Tamia, before we talk about your role at Ardent, let’s talk about your background and tell us where you’re from and what you wanted to be when you pursued a professional career.

Tamia Kramer: So I’m from a little bit of everywhere. I was a military brat growing up, went to 14 different schools. I went to college in Texas. That’s actually where I lived for the 18 years before I moved to Nashville with Ardent. Went to college at Texas women’s university, and really knew that I was fueled at negotiation and analytical review of information and decided to pursue working within the real estate industry and start as a broker, but ended up taking my career down that path. And so I bring that level of experience to this role at Ardent.

Andrew Dick: Got it. And so when you worked in the commercial real estate industry, talk about your roles. I mean, it’s my understanding you were a commercial broker, you worked for a developer. Tell us a little bit about your experience.

Tamia Kramer: Yeah, so I started out working for an industrial real estate developer and kind of an administrative capacity and that really gave me a snapshot into the industry itself and the ins and outs. And let me begin to hone some of my negotiation and analytical skills. From there, I decided to double down on that career path and become a broker. Got my real estate license working for a local firm in Dallas. And the primary client that I had to start out with was a healthcare client. I actually worked on the corporate headquarters of the former Triad hospitals campus and managed all of their real estate transactions. And then as far as the developer piece of it goes, in addition to the brokerage side of things, I’ve also got