In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are joined by Morning Brew Daily hosts Neal Freyman and Toby Howell to talk about a subject they know better than anyone—the reality of having a work bestie. Listen to hear Neal and Toby share the story of how they went from colleagues, to friends, to podcast co-hosts, and the unexpected benefits and potential drawbacks of having such a tight working relationship.

00:00 Intro

02:09 How Neal and Toby originally became friends

07:58 How being both friends and colleagues has affected their work

10:12 Developing the Morning Brew Daily show

13:31 On the period that Toby and Neal were together 24/7

16:14 Advice for someone unsure about cultivating a deep friendship at work

20:30 The difference between having work friends at a small company versus a larger one

23:00 Neal and Toby answer questions from their own Morning Brew Daily production team

29:41 Game: 

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