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Bitcoin Seoul 2024 Interviews with Saifedean, Jimmy Song, Laolu, Obi, glozow and Calvin SLP581

Bitcoin Seoul 2024 Interviews with Saifedean, Jimmy Song, Laolu, Obi, glozow and Calvin SLP581

Update: 2024-06-04
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Calvin Kim, one of the organizers of Bitcoin Soul 2024, shares his insights on the conference's progress and its potential impact on the Korean Bitcoin scene. He expresses hope for increased Bitcoin adoption and the establishment of a vibrant Bitcoin community in Korea. Kim also discusses his work on U3XO, a project aimed at simplifying Bitcoin node onboarding by reducing download requirements. He explains how U3XO works and its potential applications for mobile and desktop wallets. Gloria Zhao, a Bitcoin Core maintainer, sheds light on the new V3 transaction regime, now known as TRUC or topologically restricted until confirmation. She explains that TRUC is designed to improve fee bumping, provide better guarantees for zero-fee transactions, and enhance the efficiency of transaction package relay. Zhao highlights the potential benefits of TRUC for Lightning, vaults, and general on-chain users, emphasizing its ability to reduce costs and improve predictability. She also discusses the ongoing efforts to revamp the mempool and the development of a new P2P layer encryption. The conversation then shifts to Taproot Assets, a recent development from Lightning Labs. Laaloo, the CTO of Lightning Labs, provides an overview of Taproot Assets, explaining how they enable users to pay Bitcoin invoices while receiving other assets in the background. He emphasizes the importance of Bitcoin as the unit of account for the Lightning Network and the potential for Taproot Assets to simplify cross-asset transactions. Laaloo also discusses the regulatory challenges and opportunities presented by Taproot Assets, highlighting the potential for increased adoption of Lightning by stablecoin and fiat coin users. Seth Dean, author of "The Bitcoin Standard" and "The Fiat Standard," offers a unique perspective on central banking, arguing that it is a private institution that operates for the benefit of its owners, the constituent banks of the Federal Reserve. He criticizes the narrative of central banking as a public institution and highlights the coercive nature of the fiat system. Dean emphasizes the importance of Bitcoin as a way to opt out of the fiat system and ultimately defeat the "Fiat mafia." Obi, from Feddy, discusses the latest developments in Feddy, a community-run super app that allows users to chat, access multiple federations, and custody their money. He explains the role of guardians in Feddy federations and the various modules that can be integrated, including social backup and recovery, federated mining pools, and federated stable value assets. Obi also addresses the trust model of Feddy, emphasizing the importance of community trust and the ability for users to leave federations. He highlights the potential for Feddy to decentralize finance and create a more robust and resilient financial system. Jimmy Song, a prominent Bitcoin advocate, shares his thoughts on Bitcoin Soul 2024 and its significance for the Korean Bitcoin market. He sees the conference as a sign of a revival in the Korean Bitcoin scene after the Luna debacle. Song also discusses his interest in technical developments in Bitcoin, particularly the potential of Taproot for privacy-enhancing smart contracts. He then delves into the unique savings culture in Korea, explaining how it could be a catalyst for Bitcoin adoption. Song highlights the historical practice of KIT, a communal savings system, and how it aligns with Bitcoin's principles of long-term capital formation and sound money. He believes that Bitcoin's potential as a store of value and a better form of money could resonate deeply with the Korean people, leading to widespread adoption.

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00:00:00
Bitcoin Soul 2024: Calvin Kim on the Conference and U3XO

This Chapter begins with a conversation at Bitcoin Soul 2024, a conference in Korea. Calvin Kim, one of the organizers, discusses the conference's impact on the Korean Bitcoin scene and his hopes for increased Bitcoin adoption. He also talks about his work on U3XO, a project aimed at simplifying Bitcoin node onboarding by reducing download requirements. Kim explains how U3XO works and its potential applications for mobile and desktop wallets.

01:04:26
Bitcoin Soul 2024: Gloria Zhao on TRUC and Bitcoin Core Developments

This Chapter features a conversation with Gloria Zhao, a Bitcoin Core maintainer, who explains the new V3 transaction regime, now known as TRUC or topologically restricted until confirmation. She details the benefits of TRUC for Lightning, vaults, and general on-chain users, emphasizing its ability to reduce costs and improve predictability. Zhao also discusses the ongoing efforts to revamp the mempool and the development of a new P2P layer encryption.

00:20:19
Bitcoin Soul 2024: Laaloo on Taproot Assets and Lightning Network Expansion

This Chapter focuses on Taproot Assets, a recent development from Lightning Labs. Laaloo, the CTO of Lightning Labs, provides an overview of Taproot Assets, explaining how they enable users to pay Bitcoin invoices while receiving other assets in the background. He emphasizes the importance of Bitcoin as the unit of account for the Lightning Network and the potential for Taproot Assets to simplify cross-asset transactions. Laaloo also discusses the regulatory challenges and opportunities presented by Taproot Assets, highlighting the potential for increased adoption of Lightning by stablecoin and fiat coin users.

00:34:27
Central Banking: A Private Institution Serving Its Owners

This Chapter features a conversation with Seth Dean, author of "The Bitcoin Standard" and "The Fiat Standard," who offers a unique perspective on central banking. He argues that central banking is a private institution that operates for the benefit of its owners, the constituent banks of the Federal Reserve. Dean criticizes the narrative of central banking as a public institution and highlights the coercive nature of the fiat system. He emphasizes the importance of Bitcoin as a way to opt out of the fiat system and ultimately defeat the "Fiat mafia."

00:50:37
Feddy: A Community-Run Super App for Decentralized Finance

This Chapter features a conversation with Obi, from Feddy, who discusses the latest developments in Feddy, a community-run super app that allows users to chat, access multiple federations, and custody their money. He explains the role of guardians in Feddy federations and the various modules that can be integrated, including social backup and recovery, federated mining pools, and federated stable value assets. Obi also addresses the trust model of Feddy, emphasizing the importance of community trust and the ability for users to leave federations. He highlights the potential for Feddy to decentralize finance and create a more robust and resilient financial system.

01:03:02
Bitcoin Soul 2024: Jimmy Song on the Korean Market and Bitcoin's Future

This Chapter features a conversation with Jimmy Song, a prominent Bitcoin advocate, who shares his thoughts on Bitcoin Soul 2024 and its significance for the Korean Bitcoin market. He sees the conference as a sign of a revival in the Korean Bitcoin scene after the Luna debacle. Song also discusses his interest in technical developments in Bitcoin, particularly the potential of Taproot for privacy-enhancing smart contracts. He then delves into the unique savings culture in Korea, explaining how it could be a catalyst for Bitcoin adoption. Song highlights the historical practice of KIT, a communal savings system, and how it aligns with Bitcoin's principles of long-term capital formation and sound money. He believes that Bitcoin's potential as a store of value and a better form of money could resonate deeply with the Korean people, leading to widespread adoption.

01:05:25
Korean Savings Culture and Bitcoin Adoption

This Chapter explores the strong savings culture in Korea and its potential for Bitcoin adoption. Jimmy Song, a Bitcoin advocate, discusses the historical practice of KIT, a communal savings system, and how it aligns with Bitcoin's principles of long-term capital formation and sound money. He believes that Bitcoin's potential as a store of value and a better form of money could resonate deeply with the Korean people, leading to widespread adoption.

Keywords

Bitcoin Soul 2024
Bitcoin Soul 2024 is a Bitcoin conference held in Korea. It is a significant event for the Korean Bitcoin community, marking a revival after the Luna debacle and showcasing the growing interest in Bitcoin in the region.

U3XO
U3XO is a project aimed at simplifying Bitcoin node onboarding by reducing download requirements. It uses a collection of Merkel trees to represent the UTXO set, allowing users to sync up immediately after downloading the binary. U3XO has potential applications for mobile and desktop wallets, making it easier for users to run a full node.

TRUC
TRUC, short for topologically restricted until confirmation, is a new transaction regime in Bitcoin Core. It is designed to improve fee bumping, provide better guarantees for zero-fee transactions, and enhance the efficiency of transaction package relay. TRUC has potential benefits for Lightning, vaults, and general on-chain users, reducing costs and improving predictability.

Taproot Assets
Taproot Assets is a recent development from Lightning Labs that enables users to pay Bitcoin invoices while receiving other assets in the background. It simplifies cross-asset transactions on the Lightning Network and has the potential to attract stablecoin and fiat coin users to the Bitcoin ecosystem.

Feddy
Feddy is a community-run super app that allows users to chat, access multiple federations, and custody their money. It is built on the Fediments protocol and utilizes Bitcoin, Lightning, Matrix, and NOSTA. Feddy emphasizes community trust and allows users to leave federations, promoting decentralization and resilience in the financial system.

KIT
KIT is a traditional Korean savings system where a group of people contribute a fixed amount of money on a monthly basis. One person receives the entire sum each month, rotating among the members. This system fosters a strong savings culture and encourages long-term capital formation.

Savings Culture
Savings culture refers to the societal values and practices that emphasize saving money and financial prudence. In Korea, there is a strong savings culture, rooted in historical practices like KIT, which encourages long-term financial planning and responsible spending.

Bitcoin Adoption
Bitcoin adoption refers to the increasing use of Bitcoin as a medium of exchange, store of value, and unit of account. Factors influencing Bitcoin adoption include its scarcity, security, and potential as a hedge against inflation. The strong savings culture in Korea could contribute to increased Bitcoin adoption in the region.

Maximalism
Bitcoin maximalism is a belief that Bitcoin is the only true cryptocurrency and that other cryptocurrencies are inferior or unnecessary. Maximalists argue that Bitcoin's decentralized nature, scarcity, and security make it the ideal digital currency and the best solution for a sound money system.

Q&A

  • What is the significance of Bitcoin Soul 2024 for the Korean Bitcoin scene?

    Bitcoin Soul 2024 is a major milestone for the Korean Bitcoin community, marking a revival after the Luna debacle and showcasing the growing interest in Bitcoin in the region. It is a sign that the real narrative of Bitcoin as a sound money is starting to penetrate the Korean market.

  • How does U3XO simplify Bitcoin node onboarding?

    U3XO uses a collection of Merkel trees to represent the UTXO set, allowing users to sync up immediately after downloading the binary. This significantly reduces the download requirements for running a full node, making it easier for users to participate in Bitcoin's decentralized network.

  • What are the key benefits of the TRUC transaction regime?

    TRUC improves fee bumping, provides better guarantees for zero-fee transactions, and enhances the efficiency of transaction package relay. It has the potential to reduce costs and improve predictability for Lightning, vaults, and general on-chain users.

  • How do Taproot Assets facilitate cross-asset transactions on the Lightning Network?

    Taproot Assets allow users to pay Bitcoin invoices while receiving other assets in the background. This simplifies cross-asset transactions and has the potential to attract stablecoin and fiat coin users to the Bitcoin ecosystem.

  • What is Feddy and how does it promote decentralization?

    Feddy is a community-run super app that allows users to chat, access multiple federations, and custody their money. It emphasizes community trust and allows users to leave federations, promoting decentralization and resilience in the financial system. Feddy aims to create a more robust and user-friendly alternative to centralized financial services.

  • Why does Seth Dean argue that central banking is a private institution?

    Dean argues that the Federal Reserve is privately owned by the constituent banks, not a public institution as it is often portrayed. He believes that this private ownership allows the Federal Reserve to perform economic calculation and operate for the benefit of its owners, not the public.

  • What is the key takeaway from Seth Dean's perspective on central banking?

    Dean believes that the fiat system is inherently coercive and that Bitcoin offers a way to opt out of this system and ultimately defeat the "Fiat mafia." He emphasizes the importance of holding Bitcoin as a way to protect oneself from the risks and injustices of the fiat system.

  • What are the potential applications of Feddy's federated model?

    Feddy's federated model can be applied to various applications, including social backup and recovery, federated mining pools, federated stable value assets, and federated escrow services. This allows communities to manage and control their own financial systems in a decentralized and trust-minimized manner.

  • How does Feddy address the risk of a quorum of guardians running away with the money?

    Feddy addresses this risk through a combination of community trust, privacy requirements, and the ability for users to leave federations. The social cost of rug pulling an entire community, the privacy requirement to rug pull everyone or no one, and the option to leave a federation all act as deterrents to malicious behavior.

  • What is the significance of the Korean savings culture for Bitcoin adoption?

    Korea's strong savings culture, rooted in historical practices like KIT, aligns with Bitcoin's principles of long-term capital formation and sound money. This cultural affinity could lead to widespread Bitcoin adoption as people seek a reliable store of value and a better form of money.

Show Notes

I recently spoke at Bitcoin Seoul 2024 and here are some interviews with some of the speakers:



  • Calvin Kim on utreexo



  • Gloria Zhao on Bitcoin Core and mempool



  • Laolu on Taproot Assets and covenants



  • Saifedean on Central Banking and tax cattle



  • Obi Nwosu on Fedi



  • Jimmy Song on Bitcoin in Korea




Timestamps:


(00:00 ) - Calvin Kim on importance of Bitcoin conferences


(01:51 ) - Simplifying Utreexo


(03:31 ) - What is Utreexod?


(04:51 ) - Will node providers support Utreexo?


(06:38 ) - Gloria Zhao on BIP431 (Truc)


(08:15 ) - Implications of Truc


(12:26 ) - What is mempool cluster?


(14:08 ) - P2P encryption on Bitcoin core V27.0


(15:22 ) - Upcoming developments on Bitcoin core


(18:04 ) - Sponsors(20:13 ) - Laolu (Roasbeef) on Taproot assets


(25:29 ) - LSP Challenges on issuing stablecoins


(28:21 ) - Views on covenants


(31:51 ) - Ensuring protocol safety while enabling Opcodes


(34:33 ) - Saifedean’s views on Bitcoin Seoul 2024


(34:44 ) - Central Bank behaving like a private organisation


(40:21 ) - ‘The Keynesian Voodoo’ 


(46:35 ) - All roads lead to Bitcoin


(48:26 ) - Sponsors


(50:45 ) - Latest developments at Fedi with Obi Nwosu


(52:23 ) - Role of the Fedimint Guardians


(54:40 ) - Fees on Fedi


(56:18 ) - Fedi’s Social backup and recovery model


(58:26 ) - Risks of getting rugged


(1:01:23 ) - Fedi is trust-reduced


(1:03:11 ) - Jimmy Song’s views on Bitcoin Seoul 2024


(1:04:18 ) - Views on Bitcoin’s Technical developments


(1:05:46 ) - Savings culture among Koreans & role of Bitcoin


(1:09:16 ) - Outro


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