On January 6th, 2021 -one of the most consequential days in modern American history- I made plans to interview Michael Wiafe, an SDSU Alum and current Berkeley Grad student/TA. Our original intent was to discuss the recent 2020 election and it's impact. After a shocking day, we met and spoke about everything but The Capital Riots that just happened hours before we met. We discussed our experiences as black immigrants, education inequity, the importance of hope, the power of civic engagement, the significance of taking up space, and how policy impacts our communities. We talk about voting, the Obamas; we joke about moms and their WhatsApp voice notes. Tune into this intellectual, funny, moving, blunt convo about the global black experience and how you can influence policy that can help close inequity gaps affecting marginalized communities.