What if the way we deal with conflict could become a path to connection, growth, and transformation?

In this powerful episode of GET IN, I sit down with visionary activist, author, and MacArthur “Genius” Fellow Loretta J. Ross—whose groundbreaking book Calling In: How to Start Making Change with Those You’d Rather Cancel is more than a guide. It’s a lifeline.

For over five decades, Loretta has been at the forefront of change—facing down injustice, challenging movements from the inside out, and now leading a revolution in how we communicate across differences. In a time where cancel culture and conflict dominate public discourse, Loretta offers a radical alternative: Calling In—a humanistic, actionable practice of confronting harm with accountability, compassion, and respect.

Together, we explore:

• What it really means to “call in” vs. “call out”

• How anger, blame, and shame keep us from evolving

• Tools for transforming confrontation into a constructive force

• Why conflict doesn’t mean disconnection

• How this work is essential for personal health, social healing, and cultural survival

Whether you’ve been on the receiving end of cancellation, afraid to speak up, or unsure how to bridge divides, this conversation will leave you feeling seen, resourced, and inspired to stay in the room—and in the relationship.

“Calling In is not a trend. It’s a way of being. A path for healing ourselves and the world.”

Learn more about Loretta J. Ross:

www.lorettajross.com

Read Loretta's books:

Calling In: How to Start Making Change with Those You'd Rather Cancel

Radical Reproductive Justice: Foundation, Theory, Practice, Critique

Undivided Rights: Women of Color Organizing for Reproductive Justice

Learn more about Debbie Rosas:

www.debbierosas.com

www.nianow.com

www.niaondemand.com