Today's episode features time with Cassandra Carlopio, a meditation/sleep consultant currently collaborating with The Breathe Institute and trained as a clinical psychologist on the Gold Coast of Australia. We talk about the importance of sleep, address some of the falacies associated with meditation, and she graciously leads us through a short guided meditation.

We also talk about how she loves the mountains and beach equally, her newfound love of kite boarding, about the role of the nervous system and sleep, about how there's very little communication "between the field of sleep medicine and the field of psychology and the field of meditation", in the role that meditation can play in helping people sleep at night, traffic in Los Angeles, the notion of using virtual reality to help with sleep issues, and how gifting someone with sleep issues "Why We Sleep" by Matthew Walker may not be the right kind of present.

Stay tuned after the outro music to hear Skipper stumble through the pronunciation of Cassandra's name, something that he does with every guest on the show.

Special Guest: Cassandra Carlopio.

Links:

• Surfer Today answers the question, What is kiteboarding?
• "Why We Sleep" by Matthew Walker
• How many thoughts do we have per minute?
• The Breathe Institute
• "Atomic Habits" by James Clear
• James Clear breaks down how to make small habits, using meditation as an example
• Intro and outro song: "Zombie Nation" by Jose Travieso