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Challenging credentialism: An alternative vision of education (Encore)

Challenging credentialism: An alternative vision of education (Encore)

Update: 2025-06-20
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We speak with Arlene Goldbard, writer, visual artist, speaker, social activist and consultant,  whose most recent book is “In the Camp of Angels of Freedom: What does it mean to be educated?” An autodidact from a working-class background, Arlene challenges “the certainty that academic qualifications are the best measure of ability.” She interweaves the stories and portraits of her “angels,” her personal story, and a critique of standard narratives of education. We talk with her in particular about two of her “angels,” Paulo Freire and Paul Goodman.



Overview

00:00-00:38 Intros


00:38-02:41 What “In the Camp of Angels of Freedom: What It Means to be Educated” is about


02:41 : 03:55 Definition of auto-didact


03:55-05:39 Project-based education/Action civics/"What Would YOU Do?”


05:39-07:12 Removing bachelor’s degree requirement from State jobs


07:12-09:03 Advice to high school students about options


09:03-10:34 When is a liberal arts education valuable beyond credentials?


10:34-20:42 Alternative ways to expand horizons beyond/in addition to college


20:42-25:28 K-12 education


25:28-27:31 Paulo Freire


27:31-31:18 Paul Goodman


31:18-32:50 Cultural citizenship


32:50- Outro

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References

Soundtrack by Poddington Bear


Visual artwork by Arlene Goldbard "We Burn" (2019)

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Challenging credentialism: An alternative vision of education (Encore)

Challenging credentialism: An alternative vision of education (Encore)

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